Dems determined to ignore progress in Iraq

**Hurin_Rules** · 12-05-2005, 21:12

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

This is almost to silly to address. Lets see we declared a war on terror. Now there are battle being fought in this war. What do you expect when you declare war? The otherside to just lay down their arms and give up or fight harder? Again if we had this attitude in either world war we would have lost. In fact any nation who has this attitude in any war is doomed to loose.

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Silly? I was responding to a false assertion, which alleged that Iraq accounted for most of the increase in terror attacks. I showed that assertion was false. Now you're accusing me of being silly for pointing this out? Should I just have kept my mouth shut and bought the Bush party line then? Would that have been better?

Sheesh. Getting ridiculed for pointing out the facts is getting a little tiresome.

**Tribesman** · 12-05-2005, 21:34

Sheesh. Getting ridiculed for pointing out the facts is getting a little tiresome.
Don't worry , as now the Iraqi vice-president has pointed out the falseness of some of the Whitehouses "facts" . So add that the Alawis statement and you have two senior Iraqi politicians deserving of ridicule eh .

Oh yes, the Iraqi's were better off under Sadam werent they?
Well thats the second senior Iraqi leader to make the same statement this week about things currently being worse than under Saddam and rapidly declining to even lower levels , so perhaps you might want to stop throwing that silly statement around Xiahou , why not try "but you support the terrorists then" or "go and live in Iran if its so good" for a change , they make just as much sense .

**Geoffrey S** · 12-05-2005, 21:56

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Well thats the second senior Iraqi leader to make the same statement this week about things currently being worse than under Saddam and rapidly declining to even lower levels , so perhaps you might want to stop throwing that silly statement around Xiahou , why not try "but you support the terrorists then" or "go and live in Iran if its so good" for a change , they make just as much sense .

Couldn't possibly have something to do with the fact that they'll be running against the current government, could it? Politics are politics, even in Iraq.

**Tribesman** · 12-05-2005, 22:08

Couldn't possibly have something to do with the fact that they'll be running against the current government, could it? Politics are politics, even in Iraq.
Yes politics is politics , but as the vice president is part of the current governmnet how can he be running against the current government

As for Allawi that is slightly different .

**Geoffrey S** · 12-06-2005, 17:58

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yes politics is politics , but as the vice president is part of the current governmnet how can he be running against the current government

As for Allawi that is slightly different .

I haven't seen anything on the Vice President's comments yet, so if he did say so my bad; could you provide a link of some kind so I can read up on it?

Regardless, my post was aimed more at Allawi since his comments I had read; he's got political motives to say the least.

**Xiahou** · 12-06-2005, 00:57

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Oh yes, the Iraqi's were better off under Sadam werent they?
Well thats the second senior Iraqi leader to make the same statement this week about things currently being worse than under Saddam and rapidly declining to even lower levels , so perhaps you might want to stop throwing that silly statement around Xiahou , why not try "but you support the terrorists then" or "go and live in Iran if its so good" for a change , they make just as much sense .

Where are you getting the statement from the vice prime minister? As I've said Allawi's statements are at least partially politically motivated as he's campaigning for re-election and the current PM slammed him for making those comments.

**Tribesman** · 12-06-2005, 01:19

Where are you getting the statement from the vice prime minister?
I am making them up Xiahou , didn't you know

BTW its Vice-President not V-P.M. and it is from his speech in Dubai yesterday(monday) .

As I've said Allawi's statements are at least partially politically motivated
Hey hey what do you say As for Allawi that is slightly different .

the current PM slammed him for making those comments.
Yes that might have something to do with the accusations that Allawi made against the current Prime ministers militia being involved in murders and torture , that sort of thing normally does bring a bit of a slamming doesn't it .

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 12-06-2005, 01:42

Originally Posted by AdrianII
One thing only. Americans are more at war with each other than with terrorism.

That be the truth right there

OK who has hacked SFTS s account. Ive seen people change but this is ridiculous. I think saying americans are at war with eachother is a bit of an overstatement dont you?

**Strike For The South** · 12-06-2005, 01:57

No G-man it isnt. Everytime Iraq comes up. It just leads to demonazation or the parties trying to get votes from eachother. All any of us ever here is lib this or conservative that. Few people honestly give a crap about Iraq. Oh they might say they do but in all honesty they just look at ORileys or Moores talking points. That makes me sick. It spits on the people over there. We need to be finding a real damn soultion not worrying about votes or saving face. Now wether that means pulling out or staying there I dont know. The whole political climate needs to change in this country

And Gawain I really havent switched positions on much

**Ice** · 12-07-2005, 01:00

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

OK who has hacked SFTS s account. Ive seen people change but this is ridiculous. I think saying americans are at war with eachother is a bit of an overstatement dont you?

He's just going through a stage. Same thing happened to me a little bit over a year ago. I'm managed to revert mostly back, though.