Transgression...what the hell?!

**Oaty** · 12-08-2005, 21:09

Originally Posted by Revenant69

When the senate gave me a mission to take Appolonia that was held by Macedonians, I borrowed money and sent an expeditionary force there. But by the time it got there the Brutii finally managed to take Appolonia. So I ended up not even declaring war on Macedonians, but money for it was already pocketed

I call that Roman Politics

They didn't complain then, why should they complain now???

That explains it right there. Some diplomatic deals appear to have an expiration. You can only milk diplomatic favours from factions in diplomatic deals for certain things, once about every 30-50 turns. It's to help prevent a player from getting money for each time they attack a faction.

With patch 1.3 I was the Julii and Scipii were assaulting the Carthies. Carthage came up and asked for an alliance. Well I made a counter offer to my favour and made an alliance. A few turns later the Scipii give me the transgression message. And even though they were my ally carthage got assaulted again.

So rule of thumb don't piss off your Roman buddies or it may cost you. But they may be exactly what you want

Anyways all Transgression messages I have gotten have pretty much made sense in a round about way.

**Cras** · 12-09-2005, 11:48

ehmmm how can you attack right away? you basically ask money to built an army...

perhaps you should first built it, then ask the money as your army is at the gates and after receiving it.. attack?

**AntiochusIII** · 12-10-2005, 05:36

Originally Posted by Cras

ehmmm how can you attack right away? you basically ask money to built an army...

perhaps you should first built it, then ask the money as your army is at the gates and after receiving it.. attack?

The RTW diplomacy isn't the most detailed or logical.

From what little I know, the trigger for the diplomatic option that you will "Offer to Attack [insert faction name]" is, after the deal is done, required on your part at least one directly aggressive action (be it siege or skirmish or an epic battle).

So you'll have to at least engage in a small skirmish with the Numidians right away after you signed the deal with your fellow Romans to fulfill your promise. You might delay an actual invasion for a while but the state of war (and at least one "engagement") is required to complete your end of the bargain within that turn.

Or they might just be angry with your "extorting" diplomacy. Y'know, they're your rivals and those gold are from their personal treasuries, extorted from the Plebs, of course...

**Oaty** · 12-10-2005, 18:34

I don't think your correct anticohus but then noone knows the exact mechanics of dipomacy. I have agreed to attack factions in diplomatic deals. When I agreed to attack I never did it in the first turn and nothing bad seemed to happen. I'm guessing it's related to senate missions in a way. You either have 5-10 turns to complete your diplomatic deal. It was officially said somewhere that the longer you wait on this deal the more your diplomatic stance goes down

**AntiochusIII** · 12-10-2005, 23:50

Originally Posted by oaty

I don't think your correct anticohus but then noone knows the exact mechanics of dipomacy. I have agreed to attack factions in diplomatic deals. When I agreed to attack I never did it in the first turn and nothing bad seemed to happen. I'm guessing it's related to senate missions in a way. You either have 5-10 turns to complete your diplomatic deal. It was officially said somewhere that the longer you wait on this deal the more your diplomatic stance goes down

Then I suppose I am wrong then. Now if anyone would crack out the code for all to see...

JUST KIDDING!

Then it seems his(?) case looks like basically the two Roman factions consider him extorting money from them in exchange for an attack of a faction they were not at war with. That would normally cause a transgression warning from my experience.

**Revenant69** · 12-09-2005, 14:23

Originally Posted by oaty

That explains it right there. Some diplomatic deals appear to have an expiration. You can only milk diplomatic favours from factions in diplomatic deals for certain things, once about every 30-50 turns. It's to help prevent a player from getting money for each time they attack a faction.

So rule of thumb don't piss off your Roman buddies or it may cost you. But they may be exactly what you want

Thanks, that answered my question. Essentially Julii and Brutii cought up to my little scams with their money and told me not to do it in the future.

Thanks oaty.