Ciaran was correct. I was speaking of MTW with VI installed. My apologies for not being clearer. So....yes, while playing MTW with VI installed I get GA points the moment the target provinces fortification falls to me. However, this discussion seems to have stirred memories of the past....I seem to remember being frustrated while playing vanilla MTW....I DO believe there may be something to Rythmic's complaint. I think I remember Crusade points not being awarded right away too...if at all. Can anyone else confirm?