General bodyguards

**Red Harvest** · 12-08-2005, 07:36

Have you actually checked this in the campaign? Because from what I recall, prior to 1.3 this didn't actually change the size of the general's bodyguard...although I didn't actually check it...I was going to, but experienced modders said it didn't work.

**Atilius** · 12-08-2005, 08:25

It mostly works in 1.2. It appears to me that the bodyguard sizes for the faction leader and faction heir are too large, but the other family members have bodyguards of the right size.

When I set number of men to 6 for the roman general's bodyguard in EDU, the Julii bodyguard unit sizes plateau after a few turns at:

36 men (Flavius J)
26 men (Lucius J)
14 men (Vibius J)
12 men (Quintus J)

(Large unit scale)

Perhaps the bodyguard size bonuses don't scale with the unit scale, or maybe it was just a bug.

Everything works as I would expect in 1.3.

**Epistolary Richard** · 12-08-2005, 09:24

Equally, when I tried bumping the Frankish bodyguard to 60 the characters (and new characters) had 62.

**Zarax** · 12-08-2005, 09:45

Faction leaders and heirs have a bonus to their bodyguard size, other generals will start the base size + influence and retinues/trait modifiers.

**Epistolary Richard** · 12-08-2005, 12:18

Most interesting.

**Atilius** · 12-08-2005, 17:52

Originally Posted by Zarax

Faction leaders and heirs have a bonus to their bodyguard size, other generals will start the base size + influence and retinues/trait modifiers.

Right, the specifics as far as people have determined are here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=47146

What surprised me was that the faction leader's bodyguard was 3x the standard general's. With the settings I normally use it's always about 2x. I'm assuming that the size modifiers just don't scale with the unit scale.

Originally Posted by Epistolary Richard

Equally, when I tried bumping the Frankish bodyguard to 60 the characters (and new characters) had 62.

If you mean changing the number of men in EDU to 60, any number greater than 31 is treated as 31. On the large scale this means 62 guys in the bodyguard.

See https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=56026

**Red Harvest** · 12-08-2005, 22:51

Originally Posted by Atilius

It mostly works in 1.2. It appears to me that the bodyguard sizes for the faction leader and faction heir are too large, but the other family members have bodyguards of the right size.

When I set number of men to 6 for the roman general's bodyguard in EDU, the Julii bodyguard unit sizes plateau after a few turns at:

36 men (Flavius J)
26 men (Lucius J)
14 men (Vibius J)
12 men (Quintus J)

(Large unit scale)

Perhaps the bodyguard size bonuses don't scale with the unit scale, or maybe it was just a bug.

Everything works as I would expect in 1.3.

That is interesting...nice to see the lower level bodyguards are smaller. I'm still puzzled about the 3X faction leader through...as you say 2X has been the norm for me on "large." Occassionally one gets into the 50's after a number of fights.

I do remember in 1.2 some Roman family members in the mid/upper teens on large...don't know why they were that way.