Move Israel to Europe

[Byzantine Prince]

CNN - Link

Another crazy rant by Ahmadinejad. But I can't help but notice that Israel seems to be everywhere in European sports leagues and other organizations of mainland Europe.

[Devastatin Dave]

Boy, this is a warm, cuddly guy isn't he.

[Strike For The South]

Wow I want to get elected president

[Leet Eriksson]

CNN - Link

Another crazy rant by Ahmadinejad. But I can't help but notice that Israel seems to be everywhere in European sports leagues and other organizations of mainland Europe.

Well they got boycotted in the asian league becuase of the palestinian case. Rather unfortunate, becuase they don't have a chance to get to the world cup via europe, their team is pretty good really, they could have a good chance in the asian league, but its all about politics these days...

[Adrian II]

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has expressed doubt that the Holocaust occurred and suggested Israel be moved to Europe.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Somewhat related: why let Turkey into the EU but not Israel?

(Discount geography for this discussion - though I think most of Turkey is outside of "Europe" to begin with).

[English assassin]

More related: I have belatedly to admit that the Iranians have got themselves a real problem with this guy. He seems to be, and I use the term after due consideration, as mad as a sack of rats.

All previous posts in favour of Iranian development of nuclear power are hereby revoked until he is removed from power, and, what's more, the Iranian system is reformed so that someone like him cannot be elected in future.

I do still maintain that the average Iranian in the street is no threat tio anyone though.

[JAG]

Somewhat related: why let Turkey into the EU but not Israel?

(Discount geography for this discussion - though I think most of Turkey is outside of "Europe" to begin with).

Yeh lets have a dig at a muslim country!

[Ja'chyra]

Yeh lets have a dig at a muslim country!

What dig????

[JAG]

Was that not a dig at Turkey being considered to join the EU? Seemed so to me, anyway based on previous posts by certain members no doubt it would come. I really don't see any other reason for it to be brought up.

By the way, as to the thread, he is clearly a disturbing individual but remember that when we have all the Americans on this board baying for his blood and demonising him, think what put him in power. You only have yourselves to blame.

[doc_bean]

More related: I have belatedly to admit that the Iranians have got themselves a real problem with this guy. He seems to be, and I use the term after due consideration, as mad as a sack of rats.

I don't know, it often is a valid tactic to make the 'enemy' think you're completely insane.

[bmolsson]

Somewhat related: why let Turkey into the EU but not Israel?

(Discount geography for this discussion - though I think most of Turkey is outside of "Europe" to begin with).

Israel would have trouble to keep their "jew only get citizenship immediately" policy.....

[bmolsson]

Idiots like this guy doesn't make specially easy to be a muslim, that is for sure..... :(

[Templar Knight]

now thats funny

[BDC]

Was that not a dig at Turkey being considered to join the EU? Seemed so to me, anyway based on previous posts by certain members no doubt it would come. I really don't see any other reason for it to be brought up.

By the way, as to the thread, he is clearly a disturbing individual but remember that when we have all the Americans on this board baying for his blood and demonising him, think what put him in power. You only have yourselves to blame.

Really? I was under the impression all the reformers were barred from standing and the only real candidate left was this guy.

Therefore it would seem to be the result of the theocracy in charge of Iran, rather than the opinions of the average American.

[Crazed Rabbit]

By the way, as to the thread, he is clearly a disturbing individual but remember that when we have all the Americans on this board baying for his blood and demonising him, think what put him in power. You only have yourselves to blame.

The Ayatollahs put him into power. The 'election' and their 'democracy' is a farce, a charade for the real power in Iran, the Ayatollahs.

He's not acting crazy to ward off attackers; Israel will not stand for Iran getting nukes, no matter how crazy their 'leader' is.

*wonders when the Israeli strike will come*

Crazed Rabbit

[The_Emperor]

from what can be seen though this guy is a problem for some in power inside Iran itself. There is talk about him losing his support from the leadership in Iran over his comments...

regardless it will be interesting to watch.

[Templar Knight]

Progress folks, progress!

First he wanted Israel wiped off the map, now he simply wants it mooved

[King Henry V]

How can you move a country? The builders in Iran must be either genii or completely bonkers.
Actually, since Abraham came from the lands of Babylon, why not move Israel to Iraq? Why have acres of desert, when you can have loads of oil and a relatively lush country (around the Tigres and Euphrates).

[Geoffrey S]

All previous posts in favour of Iranian development of nuclear power are hereby revoked until he is removed from power, and, what's more, the Iranian system is reformed so that someone like him cannot be elected in future.

Unfortunately, currently the Iranian election system seems set up so that precisely someone like him would be elected.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

JAG - didn't mean to take shots at Turkey. I was really trying to see what the opinions of Backroomers towards letting Israel into the EU. Perhaps I should have phrased it better:

If it applied, would you be in favor of admitting Israel into the EU?

I brought up Turkey because it is applying to get into the EU even though it is not a traditionally European country. Israel would be in a similar situation, not being considered a traditionally European country.

Your comment "Was that not a dig at Turkey being considered to join the EU? Seemed so to me, anyway based on previous posts by certain members no doubt it would come. I really don't see any other reason for it to be brought up." I brought it up since I though it would promote discussion. There isn't too much to say about that Ahmadinejad character other than he's a crazy and not very safe - which I think we can all agree on. There may be something to talk about regarding moving Israel to Europe - the closest thing to it being membership in the EU.

It is apparent that you do not want discussion, merely an opportunity to cast "certain members" as being anti-Muslim. I for one am not anti-Islam, even though I am an American conservative - the pinnacle of Great Satanism.

Furthermore, I have no qualms with Turkey joining the EU - mainly since it is not my business. If Turkey wants to surrender some of its sovereignty (and gain some of your's, JAG) then I really can't stop them.

By the way, as to the thread, he is clearly a disturbing individual but remember that when we have all the Americans on this board baying for his blood and demonising him, think what put him in power. You only have yourselves to blame.

You should say "He is clearly a disturbing individual." (Period) The fact that he owes his status partly from the United State's sponsorship of the Ayatollah's revolution does not negate Ahmadinejad's disturbing qualities.

And as for us evil Americans, we blame Carter. I didn't put the Ayatollahs in power.

[Marcellus]

Armedinejad isn't exactly doing Iran any favours. I imagine that countries that previously supported or were neutral in Iran's atempt to get nuclear power are reconsidering their position right now.

[Geoffrey S]

Your comment "Was that not a dig at Turkey being considered to join the EU? Seemed so to me, anyway based on previous posts by certain members no doubt it would come. I really don't see any other reason for it to be brought up." I brought it up since I though it would promote discussion. There isn't too much to say about that Ahmadinejad character other than he's a crazy and not very safe - which I think we can all agree on. There may be something to talk about regarding moving Israel to Europe - the closest thing to it being membership in the EU.

Israel in Europe? Not the slightest bit of chance, considering the majority of the EU attitude to Israel; Israel is probably one of the few states disliked more by the average person in Europe than the US. Sad but true.

[Aurelian]

Moving Israel to Europe is just crazy talk.

The obvious place to move Israel is Utah.

Here's why:

a) Utah is full of desert.

b) Utah, just like Israel, has a salt lake. At 1700 square miles, the Great Salt Lake is bigger than the Dead Sea at 394 square miles. Plus, the Great Salt Lake isn't disappearing.

c) Utah is full of Mormons who think they're a lost tribe of Israel. They also think that they're responsible for the "literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent." LINK
So, you know that the Mormons won't mind it if the entire population of Israel moves there.

d) There's a lot more room in Utah (84,000 square miles to Israel's 10,840). Israel's population is six million. Utah's is only two and a half million. Plenty of room. A kibbutz for everyone!

e) The US can save the $3 billion a year in foreign aid it currently gives to Israel.

f) There are only 25,000 Muslims in Utah. Probably far fewer Palestinians. 'Nuff said.

[Tribesman]

Oh well , on a plus side the real conservative nutters in Iran who thought that a dedicated nutcase in power would be a bonus are having second thought and are trying to distance themselves from his rants .
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Well said TK

*wonders when the Israeli strike will come*

Well Rabbit ,that would depends on how long your government is willing to pay them not to and how long they are willing to do your governments bidding . If the Iraqi oil flow continues to decline at its present rate and the murrage costs get too high in relation to the returns then your government may decide that it doesn't really matter if the Persian Gulf is closed to all shipping .
Then again they will have to pay for full mobilisation on the Northern front to deal with Irans Proxy Army and the Western and Southern fronts to cope with the same .
Oh how the taxpayer suffers .

[A.Saturnus]

The Ayatollahs put him into power. The 'election' and their 'democracy' is a farce, a charade for the real power in Iran, the Ayatollahs.

The election in Iran may be bogus - and it is bogus - but unfortunately he still has great sympathies in the population.

I don't know, it often is a valid tactic to make the 'enemy' think you're completely insane.

It´s a valid tactic if you already are a nuclear power.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well Rabbit ,that would depends on how long your government is willing to pay them not to and how long they are willing to do your governments bidding . If the Iraqi oil flow continues to decline at its present rate and the murrage costs get too high in relation to the returns then your government may decide that it doesn't really matter if the Persian Gulf is closed to all shipping .
Then again they will have to pay for full mobilisation on the Northern front to deal with Irans Proxy Army and the Western and Southern fronts to cope with the same .
Oh how the taxpayer suffers .

You act as though we'd stop paying them if they attacked Iran.

The election in Iran may be bogus - and it is bogus - but unfortunately he still has great sympathies in the population.

Perhaps, but there is reform movement. He might have most of the support, but there does appear to be an undercurrent of resentment.

It´s a valid tactic if you already are a nuclear power.

Very true. He seems to forget that the country he's threatening with annihilation has nuclear weapons and isn't afraid to act unilaterally.

Crazed Rabbit

[JAG]

If it applied, would you be in favor of admitting Israel into the EU?

No. Their human rights record is not good enough to be allowed to join the EU, Turkey's is even better. We do not allow murderous states who disregard life in a country based on religious belief to join the EU. Nor do we allow states who set up huge new borders cutting off other states land or those who support other people doing the same in their countries name, to be allowed to join the EU. You have to at least appear and put lip service to the charter of human rights.

even though I am an American conservative - the pinnacle of Great Satanism.

You got that right.

Furthermore, I have no qualms with Turkey joining the EU - mainly since it is not my business. If Turkey wants to surrender some of its sovereignty (and gain some of your's, JAG) then I really can't stop them.

I know, I know.

[Tribesman]

You act as though we'd stop paying them if they attacked Iran.

No Rabbit , you would have to be paying them even more , and your little adventure in the Gulf would either have to be abandoned or cost you a hell of a lot more , as it woulkd be very hard to keep a lid on the Iranian backed government that you have tried so hard to install in Iraq
Though on the bright side you may save some money by stopping payments to other countries who would no longer be doing what you are paying them for .
But either way ....Oh how the taxpayer suffers .

[Adrian II]

But either way ....Oh how the taxpayer suffers .

Yes. Whenever I hear the word democracy I reach for my wallet.