Jail for 'honour killing' family

[Dâriûsh]

Arash Ghorbani? He must have been an Iranian.

[ShadesWolf]

cold-blooded intentional killing".

was found with 46 stab wounds

This was cold blooded intentional planned murder.
Why should they be released, as far as Im concerned they should all be executed for the crime.

[Marcellus]

This was cold blooded intentional planned murder.
Why should they be released, as far as Im concerned they should all be executed for the crime.

They should only be released if they have clearly reformed. Otherwise, they can stay in jail.

[Crazed Rabbit]

A father...has been jailed for life... must serve a minimum of 20 years in jail.

Hmm. You've got a different concept of 'life' over there it seems.

They should only be released if they have clearly reformed. Otherwise, they can stay in jail.

So, saying you're sorry you killed someone and are now a better person makes the dead come back to life?

Crazed Rabbit

[ShadesPanther]

Hmm. You've got a different concept of 'life' over there it seems.

Crazed Rabbit

It's the same in America. Actually I think it's less

[Kaiser of Arabia]

It's the same in America. Actually I think it's less

Depends on the degree of murder. Murder in the first is no parole. 2nd and 3rd has parole. 3rd is only like 14-20 years I think. But that's crimes of passion, not premeditated.

[Marcellus]

So, saying you're sorry you killed someone and are now a better person makes the dead come back to life?

Of course not. Nothing will bring the victim back to life, not imprisonment for the rest of the criminal's life, not the death penalty, nothing. But keeping a reformed person in jail serves no purpose: the person has reformed, so is no longer a threat to society, so keeping the person in prison is only revenge, not justice. Plus, it's wasting tax payers' money.

[GoreBag]

I actually don't see how this is an honour killing.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

she was betrothed to somebody (picked by her family) else and disobeyed her father - that screams insulted family honour to me.

[Leet Eriksson]

Arash Ghorbani? He must have been an Iranian.

Iranians are natural chick magnets

[DemonArchangel]

Didn't you read the article? It's Bangladeshi.

And Faisal, why do people perform honor killings? (Want a Muslim perspective.)

[Leet Eriksson]

Didn't you read the article? It's Bangladeshi.

And Faisal, why do people perform honor killings? (Want a Muslim perspective.)

They didn't really specify if he was bangladeshi or not (the victim).

As for the aspect of honor in society, its pretty big, when someone is dishonored he is looked down upon by society, which is why they resort to killing the person who caused it(it still happens even in advanced muslim states, like egypt for example, mostly in rural areas).

Rather backwards thinking, at least here when a family are dishonoured, they don't resort to killing, they immediatly dis-own their son/daughter who caused it, still far better than resorting to killing someone, becuase its stated that killing is absolutely forbidden.

[English assassin]

The victim was Iranian if I remeber the coverage correctly.

That was quite a good quote Lugh.

[Sigurd]

It is the "culture" of misconceived honour that should stand trial here.
The real victim is the girl that lost her father, 2 brothers and her lover.

[lugh]

That was quite a good quote Lugh.

Can't claim it I'm afraid, saw it in a sig on swordforums.com

@ doc_bean : He's shown himself to be either a murderous little sumbitch, or so influenceable to be a tool of anyone who whispers in his ear.

As others have mentioned, this is part of a tribal sub culture that needs to be smashed. Id've thought it'd be eroded by urbanization but unlike the usual course, immigrants aren't experienceing the cosmopolity of urban life that put paid to things of this manner in the west. Break up the urban ghettos, ban religious schools and religious paraphernalia in them, and teach a balanced cultural curriculum but with a heavy emphasis on the indiginous culture. It should all have been started decades ago, unfortunately we'll have the problem for decades more because of this.

[ShadesWolf]

Don't you think a 16year old raised in a fundamentalist family that was ordered to kill his sister and probably had very little choice (maybe they even threatened to kill him if didn't do it, at least he would have been cast out of the family) in the matter does deserve, after serving a LONG sentence, a second chance at life ? God knows a lot of 16year olds do very stupid things. Okay, this is far beyond what the average 16y old does, and 'deserve' is probably not the right word here, but, wouldn't it be the humane/compassionate/even reasonable thing to do ?

No

We all know right from wrong. Its illegal in this country to murder.
What comes first a countrys law or some tribal culture.

We all have a choice if we dont like the law we can always leave and more to another country that best fits the way we feel. At the moment, my family and I are seriously considering leaving the UK and moving somewhere else, with less liberal law.