Save Tookie!!!!!!!

**ichi** · 12-13-2005, 10:47

Pretty sure MRD and others aren't making fun of Tookie's death, but are instead pokig at the celebrities who have found it such a worthwhile cause to try to save him from the needle.

There's so many things in the world that are worthy of our attention, this cause celeb falls about halfway down my list.

and TBH, I'm not sure life in prison is better than death. Both are pretty rough, but some things rise to the level of justifying the State in terminating someone's ultimate rights.

ichi

**Ja'chyra** · 12-13-2005, 11:02

Yet another one who has front up and pay the piper, ain't it a bitch when your life catches up with you.

**Samurai Waki** · 12-13-2005, 11:50

Had he been in texas he would've died 23 years ago.

Moving on...I think it's clear that redemption is possible. The environment he was raised in led to the rise of that monster, he did terrible things out of desperation, and an attempt to rise above the rest. Killing those people, no matter the circumstance, is unforgiveable.
It is a tragedy, not because he shouldn't have been severly punished, but because he rised to meet his fate, reached out as far as he could, and held onto what he had and gained within himself as long as possible. While some people may mourn his death, or asked that he should be put in prison for the rest of his life. I think he was probably unafraid to die, he knew later on in life, that the consequences of his actions would hound him with guilt and misery until the day he died.If I was in his position, I would be prepared to face my final judgement. And if there is a god, or an afterlife... undoubtedly he will not be damned for eternity. He already made reparations. And I hope that somewhere, he will be at peace with himself for the rest of existance.

**Strike For The South** · 12-13-2005, 14:32

Originally Posted by Wazikashi

Had he been in texas he would've died 23 years ago.

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Thats where my sig comes into play

**Taffy_is_a_Taff** · 12-13-2005, 14:39

I love Ron White (but not in a gay way

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**Adrian II** · 12-13-2005, 14:47

Originally Posted by ichi

Pretty sure MRD and others aren't making fun of Tookie's death, but are instead pokig at the celebrities who have found it such a worthwhile cause to try to save him from the needle.

I don't know about his celeb advocates, but I imagine they aren't exactly role models themselves.

However I can understand people saying that Tookie could do more good than bad by repenting, and by making at least something of his life behind bars by helping to save others and sending the proceeds to charities. His death is not going to bring anyone back to life and it sure isn't going to stop hardened criminals from following in his footsteps. His books, on the other hand, talk to kids and their parents (mothers mostly) about ways to handle the temptation of a life of crime.

I admit that somewhere in the back of my brain, part of me wants to know what would have happened had he been pardoned after all. Would he have stopped his charity work immediately, pulled a nose at everybody? Or would he have continued like the Birdman of Alcatraz, becoming a sort of support figure for others who had completely lost control of their lives?

**Taffy_is_a_Taff** · 12-13-2005, 14:54

well, he was caught making escape plans that involved killing law enforcement personnel.

I'm not sure when this happened though. If it was recently then you can be sure this reformed character, don't admit to crimes (multiple witnesses, testimonies from accomplices etc.) stuff was just a ruse to get him out rather than to just avoid the death penalty (he would have had a far better hope of not being executed if he'd admitted his guilt and apologised).

**Adrian II** · 12-13-2005, 15:01

Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff

well, he was caught making escape plans that involved killing law enforcement personnel.

I read somewhere that he continued giving instructions to his fellow gang members out of prison, at recently as last year, and that he maintains a huge bank account. At least that is what the prison authorities claim. Probably the long nose after all, huh? Well, you can't win em all. Still, it is no cause for celebration. And I grant that some of his defenders are complete idiots, like the Nation of Islam types. But then we already knew that.

**Major Robert Dump** · 12-13-2005, 15:38

No, Adrian was right, I was making fun of his death. I'm a terrible person, maybe I should buy one of his books and read it to redeem myself...didn't work for Tookie's children tho, since they are in prison, too, so um nevermind I'll go read Hustler instead.

**Proletariat** · 12-13-2005, 17:34

Can anyone sticking up for this guy explain how the f you can be redemptive and innocent at the same time?

I dislike the death penalty as much as any civilized human being, but this is the last guy I'd start my anti-capital punishment crusade with.

**KafirChobee** · 12-13-2005, 19:06

Shame they retired the electric chair - Tookie needs to fry. He was and is a bad guy. Pity, he'll just get a lethal injection and fall asleep never to wake up again. Where as his victims were murdered watching their family members slain, screaming for their lives to be spared while Tookie ignored the pleas and gleefully slayed away.

I do oppose the death penalty on many grounds (especially when it is done even after new evidence is available, but ignored or contended to be to "late" or it is found that the prosecution with held evidence, etc), but when someone is proven to be of a total evil nature I find it hard not to want that person perminately removed from society. Tookie is such a person. His new "facade" is all but laughable - and the idea that he has changed? Well, he might first attempt some show of remorse - rather than contend he didn't do it. 70% of the cons in prison contend their innocense; our prosecutors are willing to go to any length for a conviction - but, it is hard to imagine that 70% of our prisoners are innocent (20% maybe

).

Say good-nite, Tookie. May you burn in he77.

**Lemur** · 12-13-2005, 20:04

Originally Posted by Proletariat

I dislike the death penalty as much as any civilized human being, but this is the last guy I'd start my anti-capital punishment crusade with.

Couldn't agree more. I don't think the death penalty is an effective use of resources. It costs too much, both in cash and American prestige. But if you're going to have state-sanctioned execution, well, Tookie seems like a prime candidate.

**Goofball** · 12-14-2005, 00:09

Originally Posted by Proletariat

I dislike the death penalty as much as any civilized human being, but this is the last guy I'd start my anti-capital punishment crusade with.

I kind of look at it from the opposite direction. I think if you are going to be against the death penalty, this is exactly the guy you should start with. His crime was brutal and bloody, and he was a very bad guy who should never be let out of prison. He was definitely a very difficult guy to have any compassion for. But you are either opposed to the death penalty or not. So if you back off and don't oppose it with this guy, you have less credibility when opposing it for a lesser case.

It's kind of like saying you're an animal rights activist but you only care about cute, furry, cuddly animals and you let all those ugly fish, rats and lobsters fend for themselves.

At any rate, I wish they hadn't executed the guy. It does nothing but bring out the barbarity and bloodthirstyness in society, as it quite evident from some of the other posts in this thread (and I don't mean yours, Prole).