I'm sorry.

[master of the puppets]

yeah....riiiiiiight. Absolutely prisoner abuse was a few low grade troops acting totally on their own and there has been no cover up. Absolutely we don't ship people around the world to countries where they can be more "conveniently" "questioned" and certainly no one is dying in afgan jails where CIA people just happen to be on vacation. Absolutely we don't invent convenient legal catagories justifying indefinite detention without trial and we certainly didn't try to prevent the prisoners finding out about the "evidence" we alleged supports their detention.

Absolutely I remember what values it was we went to "war" to defend...

...would you rather be in the hands of americans as a POW or of some insurgent, tell in which you would expect to find mercy and goodness. comparativily, we are civil to no end.

[Duke Malcolm]

civil to no end? Re-read EA's post and re-think the choice of words...

Comparatively Ireland is civil to no end. America is, while more civil than the insurgents, certainly not civil to no ends...

[Tribesman]

Hey wow , a defense contractor defends the war . Its good for business don't ya know .

I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate targets.

Hey good point , but ......
I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.

Now then ,would that be killing lots of non-combatant civilians , or would he take the precaution waiting until the people had been sent back into the city just to make sure he was killing non-combatant civilians ? What an rswipe

Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans.

Ah but he is compasionate about some mercenaries who didn't manage to collect their final fat paycheck so that Ok then , slaughter the population .

Gawain you surprise me , its been doing the rounds since March , what took you so long to post it ?
Out of curiosity Gawain , did you serve under him , he was into photography during part of his service ?

[Upxl]

Only thing this proves is the I.Q. off the average (US) officer.

[Ice]

Only thing this proves is the I.Q. off the average (US) officer.

Oh, how creative.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Only thing this proves is the I.Q. off the average (US) officer.

154 I estimate.

[JimBob]

I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.

No there wasn't because we knew it wouldn't come. We did call for bin Laden to be captured and brought to justice. Unfortunatly we have a leader who doesn't much care about bin Laden.

I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.

So?

I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships.

Damn well should be seeing as we put alot of them in place, and that we helped fund many of them.

I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).

Yes radical professors are leading a Maoist revolution right now in our streets. Stop hiding from shadows, the liberals don't bight (now socialists thats another story )

I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.

And yet throw them into secret jails, bomb their cities to the ground, and then don't even try to say sorry for it.

I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.

Who else is there?

I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.

Why? So you can fulfill some sick perverted act of revenge? Is your gun not a fulfilling phallic symbol anymore? Need a few dead innocent kids?

I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa.

What are we six? Haha he's fat.

We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?

Yes, because when you claim the moral high ground you damn well better earn it and keep on the straight and narrow. And when you slip, you say "oops" and clean up after yourself. If you don't you're just a bully, a bully for 'freedom' maybe, but a bully all the same.

Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans.

When there are Iranian contractors patrolling our streets and telling us what to do and you don't have a desire to strike back you may speak. Until then you can shut the hell up.

now that is a real man,

what makes him a real man? He talks tuff? What makes him anymore of a man than you or me?

...would you rather be in the hands of americans as a POW or of some insurgent, tell in which you would expect to find mercy and goodness. comparativily, we are civil to no end.

try neither, not big on dying, nor on being held indefinatly and being forced into homoerotic positions.


SFTS +1

[Upxl]

154 I estimate.

Jeez!

[Devastatin Dave]

Only thing this proves is the I.Q. off the average (US) officer.

"off" the average US officer? Maybe your post shows your level of IQ as well.

[Byzantine Prince]

"off" the average US officer? Maybe your post shows your level of IQ as well.

Is English YOUR third language?

[Reverend Joe]

Wow... what were the first two?

[Devastatin Dave]

Is English YOUR third language?

Did you read what I was quoting or are you showing your IQ as well?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Upxl is from Belgium...

[Byzantine Prince]

Did you read what I was quoting or are you showing your IQ as well?

Yes I read, but you didn't understand. He is from Belgium, he doesn't have to be perfect in English to be intelligent. If he can do enough to communicate on these boards then that's more then YOU can do on Belgian boards.

PS: My IQ is pretty high.

[Adrian II]

Maybe your post shows your level of IQ as well.

'Level' means: relative position on a scale. 'IQ' means: the ratio of a person's measured intelligence to his chonological age, multiplied by 100. Hence, IQ already indicates a level.

'Level of IQ' is a tautology.

*wallows in 137 IQ*

[Proletariat]

Isn't tautological when you have an expression like, 'I wouldn't pay a red cent for that car' because saying 'I would pay a red cent for that car' makes no sense?

I thought it had to do with logic only working in one direction, not really redundancies. Any linguists around to weigh in?

*wallows*

Edit: Eh, I answered my own question already. Shoulda just googled it in the first place.

*wallows on*

[Hurin_Rules]

Isn't tautological when you have an expression like, 'I wouldn't pay a red cent for that car' because saying 'I would pay a red cent for that car' makes no sense?

I thought it had to do with logic only working in one direction, not really redundancies. Any linguists around to weigh in?

*wallows*

It can be either.

Redundancy:

This book is a codex.

Vacuous statment:

Either it will rain tomorrow, or it won't.

Both are tautologies.

[Adrian II]

Isn't tautological when you have an expression like, 'I wouldn't pay a red cent for that car' because saying 'I would pay a red cent for that car' makes no sense?

I thought it had to do with logic only working in one direction, not really redundancies. Any linguists around to weigh in?

*wallows*

Edit: Eh, I answered my own question already. Shoulda just googled it in the first place.

*wallows on*

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition, 2000:

Tau·tol·o·gy: 1a. Needless repetition of the same sense in different words; redundancy. b. An instance of such repetition.

*wallows in gratuitous redundancy *

[KafirChobee]

The Generals, "I'm sorry", rant sounds all to familiar. A justification for the good to be bad, because the bad are so good at being bad. Nonsense put in a package for his choir to somehow justify the ill deeds committed under the banners of democracy and justice for all. It is like saying it is OK that our government is permitting torture - they are doing it in a nice way. That torture is now justifiable because they attacked us first (9/11/01), and the end justifys the means.

Same old weak story line, just another day on the far right.

[Lemur]

Excellent oration, and far better than anything we'll see from a politico for the next decade.

Deceptive, however, in the Lt. General's treatment of the torture question. But what can you expect? He's a staff officer, and those guys are politicos in their own way.

[edit]

Specifically:

We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?

You have to be willfully blind to think that the torture problem is contained with "humiliating" a few prisoners. It also helps if you don't read much.

[A.Saturnus]

Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?

Yes. That´s really all that has to be said.

[Leet Eriksson]

I'm sorry chuck becuase Mr.Adams here has already beaten you to apologising to your arab friends.

http://www.americasvoices.org/archiv...msM_061604.htm

[Adrian II]

I'm sorry chuck becuase Mr.Adams here has already beaten you to apologising to your arab friends.

http://www.americasvoices.org/archiv...msM_061604.htm

So our 'Chuck' is just another blog rip-off. What a surprise.

[Leet Eriksson]

So our 'Chuck' is just another blog rip-off. What a surprise.

there are probably others like chuck, but i give chuck a cookie for removing any apology made to lefties and liberals, and replacing it with his Abu Ghraib tripe.

Edit: i'm sorry to all who didn't get my post, this link should explain my comment.

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu.../14/12021.html

[Geoffrey S]

...would you rather be in the hands of americans as a POW or of some insurgent, tell in which you would expect to find mercy and goodness?

That this should even be a matter of debate, that it should come down to a comparison between the way the US treats prisoners relative to prisoners' treatment from terrorists, shows how deep the problem runs. There's no way the US should even allow themselves to be seen to be on the same level as those they oppose, let alone actually sinking that low.

[Hurin_Rules]

Only 64% of US soldiers think they have a chance of winning?

And this is cited as a good sign?

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Only 64% of US soldiers think they have a chance of winning?

And this is cited as a good sign?

64% is a majority. Ask the men on the Bataan marches if they thought they'd make it out alive.

And you can prove this contentious allegation how?

Can you disprove it?

Almost all of the terrorist groups operating in Iraq are led by non-Iraqis and made up primarily of non-Iraqis. You just want to sabatoge our actions in the Middle East to further your sick political goals.

[Ser Clegane]

You just want to sabatoge our actions in the Middle East to further your sick political goals.

I suggest that you refrain from making personal attacks

[Kaiser of Arabia]

I suggest that you refrain from making personal attacks

Was it a personal attack? Or was it a Political Attack?

[Ser Clegane]

Was it a personal attack? Or was it a Political Attack?

The choice of words made it a personal attack - funny pictures of Saddam do not change that.

For further discussion on the nature of personal attacks you can PM me.