Winning Eleven 9: The Total War of Football games!!!

[hellenes]

As it seems CA isnt the only one staying as a beakon of realism in the darkness of dumped down clickfest basebuiding toys.
KONAMI has assumed the same role in the field of football games with Winning Eleven Series delivering top notch SIMULATION of football at an insane level.
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/w...en9/index.html

Hellenes

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I think most Europeans will affectionately know it as Pro Evolution Soccer. Its practically an institution in my house!

[TheSilverKnight]

Damn, you guys had me all excited for a moment, until I found out it was Soccer.

Something wrong with 'Soccer', Gelatinous?

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Not this game mate. You yanks need to watch some good sport that will sort you out

[hellenes]

I should say the same about you Euros and 'real' football. You've all got the notion that it is just about big guys hitting eachother while wearing pads. That's just not true.

Ah well, takes all kinds.

"REAL" "football"?
You call a sport played primarly with hands (throwing catching grabbing) and with an OLIVE shaped object that is a ball as much im the Pope, "FOOTBALL"?

Its very strange that words sometimes are just commonly agreed sounds that dont reflect their meaning.

Hellenes

[hellenes]

I call it 'real' football out of nationalism, not logic.

"Nationalism is an ideology which holds that the nation, ethnicity or national identity is a "fundamental unit" of human social life, and makes certain political claims based upon that belief; above all, the claim that the nation is "the only legitimate basis for the state", and that "each nation is entitled to its own state"."
"The nationals (the members of the "nation") are distinguished by a common identity, and almost always by a common origin, in the sense of ancestry, parentage or descent. The national identity refers both to the distinguishing features of the group, and to the individual’s sense of belonging to it."

Well for one to consider the EUROPEAN (mainly but also others) COLONISTS of the Northern America to be part of or constitute a nation without having a practically viable claim to history language or separate cultural development. Then the Total War global community composes a nation of Totalwarers who have about 100 languages and dialects, have "history" of roughly 6 years and live on the Planet earth.

Hellenes

[Ianofsmeg16]

I call it 'real' football out of nationalism, not logic.

Ok that quotes goin in the sig!

nice one GC

[Geoffrey S]

As it seems CA isnt the only one staying as a beakon of realism in the darkness of dumped down clickfest basebuiding toys.

Wha... what? Realism? Excuse me while I eat one of my roast pigs with my screaming women, gentlemen.

[Viking]

Wha... what? Realism? Excuse me while I eat one of my roast pigs with my screaming women, gentlemen.

There`s a difference between realism and historical accuracy. RTW got plenty of realism, whereas there might be a lack of historical accuracy.

[Geoffrey S]

There`s a difference between realism and historical accuracy. RTW got plenty of realism, whereas there might be a lack of historical accuracy.

Hardly. It's well-designed and rewards skill, but realism is something entirely different. Units react instantly, no supply lines, lack of NCOs, wrong movement speeds on the campaign map, unrealistic build times, etc.; the point I want to make is that although the TW series of games is well-designed and adapts the reality into the game in an admirable way, it remains a game and certainly not a realistic representation of the reality of warfare in the relevant timeperiods, neither on a tactical or strategic level. Beakon of realism CA is not, nor have they claimed to be such. Admittedly I didn't illustrate this properly in my earlier post, preferring the cheap-shot way out.

[hellenes]

Hardly. It's well-designed and rewards skill, but realism is something entirely different. Units react instantly, no supply lines, lack of NCOs, wrong movement speeds on the campaign map, unrealistic build times, etc.; the point I want to make is that although the TW series of games is well-designed and adapts the reality into the game in an admirable way, it remains a game and certainly not a realistic representation of the reality of warfare in the relevant timeperiods, neither on a tactical or strategic level. Beakon of realism CA is not, nor have they claimed to be such. Admittedly I didn't illustrate this properly in my earlier post, preferring the cheap-shot way out.

Agreed.
But there is a saying: Amongst the Blind the One eyed rules...
The melee warfare "RTS" genre is so simplified and dumbed down with the whole basebuilding resource collecting peasand gang fighting that CA looks almost a Battle simulator in comparison...

Hellenes

[Geoffrey S]

Well, I find the dumbed down criticism of the genre somewhat unreasonable, but I can see where you're coming from and personally don't enjoy the resource gathering style of RTS anyway; thankfully there seem to be more and more strategy games focusing less on resource gathering or which contain other interesting elements. Still, just to reiterate my point in your 'dumbed down' topic in Arena:

It is what you want, but not necessarily what a majority of players want. Just as there are highly realistic shooting games (Swat 4, for instance) as opposed to the regular shooting games (Doom 3), some players want immersion and tactical credibility in their strategy games such as HOI2 whereas others place more emphasis on the 'game' side of things. It's a matter of tastes and what you want from a game, but it's hardly fair or reasonable to consider types of games you personally don't enjoy as 'dumbed down'; that does the developers and players a disservice.

[Viking]

Hardly. It's well-designed and rewards skill, but realism is something entirely different. Units react instantly, no supply lines, lack of NCOs, wrong movement speeds on the campaign map, unrealistic build times, etc.; the point I want to make is that although the TW series of games is well-designed and adapts the reality into the game in an admirable way, it remains a game and certainly not a realistic representation of the reality of warfare in the relevant timeperiods, neither on a tactical or strategic level. Beakon of realism CA is not, nor have they claimed to be such. Admittedly I didn't illustrate this properly in my earlier post, preferring the cheap-shot way out.

Hmmm..well. The strategical part is missing some realism and some parts in the battles too, ok. But the physics in the battles, is quite realistic.

[Geoffrey S]

Hmmm..well. The strategical part is missing some realism and some parts in the battles too, ok. But the physics in the battles, is quite realistic.

The charge effect on pikes, the fantastic leaping foottroops? Point is, while it's more realistic when it comes to the tactics of the period compared to a large numbers of the competition, it's still far removed from reality and certainly just a game.