Bush allowed NSA to spy within USA without warrants

[Red Harvest]

Your deluding yourself if that makes you feel safer. I suppose you feel safer without the patriot act also. Next you will be telling me you feel safer without the armed forces. You will see this like all the other crap theve tried to pin on Bush will come back to bite them.

LOL, no, I don't think it has bitten them. Dubya is certainly making his mark in history, and none of it in a positive way. I am enjoying watching the sense of shock and discovery of others as they realize how this country has really been run for the past 5 years. They didn't want to believe any of it.

I'm happy with the armed forces, just not the civilian leadership of it at the moment. I've been pretty clear about that. And I'm still getting a big contented chuckle over the backtracking by the Admin to say we are going to start drawing down soon and be way down by the end of 2006. Sound familiar? They must be cutting and running right?

I see some serious vulnerabilities for the GOP in 2006. The Democrats could easily turn the tables on "family values" and religious conservatism by playing to the independents with a different bent. The religious side is easy: just point out that the GOP leaders talk about God alot, but Jesus is never in their message. Remind people that it is called "Christianity" for a reason...one that the Old Testament GOP seems utterly unaware of with the "greed is good" approach to everything. GOP = Grand Old Pharisees, empty phrases, meaningless symbology, and ineffective, non-compasionate government.

[Xiahou]

I'm happy with the armed forces, just not the civilian leadership of it at the moment. I've been pretty clear about that. And I'm still getting a big contented chuckle over the backtracking by the Admin to say we are going to start drawing down soon and be way down by the end of 2006. Sound familiar? They must be cutting and running right?

Yeah, that does sound familiar.... a post election drawdown has been planned for how many months now? But no, I'm sure what they're doing is adopting the Murtha "immediate withdrawal" plan....

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Just to show you how silly the title of this thread is listen here. Like Bush started this.

[BDC]

The new National Do Not Wiretap Registry (DoNotWiretap.gov) follows the successful DoNotCall.gov model of allowing citizens to opt-out of harassment by electronic means.

Also known as ImATerroristBugMe.gov.

[Red Harvest]

Yeah, that does sound familiar.... a post election drawdown has been planned for how many months now? But no, I'm sure what they're doing is adopting the Murtha "immediate withdrawal" plan....

We are drifting off topic...
but you are stepping off a cliff with this one: Lots of draw downs have been planned by the Administration for the past several years. Lots of projections have been made about how this event or that would allow us to draw down. And what has happened? We've continued to trickle in more instead because the insurgency has not weakened.

How many times have we heard that this election or event was the reason for increased attacks/security? Only to be followed by another a few months later. That is why Americans have not seen progress and stopped believing the message. If you are wrong a half a dozen times on your projections on a subject, and never right, then you have a credibility problem.

Credibility problems...like those here and in the Admin who were claiming we should be building up during the Murtha stir, but are now "cutting and running" by going to this "planned" drawdown. At the same time they are claiming: no timetable. Yet now they say this was the timetable all along. So which side of their mouths are they lying out of?

Nah, the truth is that the Admin and the GOP now realize they have to work on an actual exit. The American majority has clearly said it wants a plan to get out, not more thrashing about looking for a plan to stabilize the country with inadequate levels of troops. The face saving move is amusing. Bush/bubble boy even took the rare step of multiple addresses and taking questions. It is rare that the emperor allows such an audience to any of his subjects.

Murtha's plan was not immediate withdrawal--that's the GOP/Admin spin. You know, like "compassionate conservative" and "mission accomplished" or "Browine, you're doing a heckuva job!"

[solypsist]

our presence will soon only be enough forces to protect oilfields and pipelines.

Yeah, that does sound familiar.... a post election drawdown has been planned for how many months now? But no, I'm sure what they're doing is adopting the Murtha "immediate withdrawal" plan....