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    Master of the Horse Senior Member Pindar's Avatar
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    Default Re: Bush allowed NSA to spy within USA without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Harvest
    While I have no legal training, I wasnt born yesterday.

    You can keep quoting the above, but I notice you always conveniently avoid the problem of where the "foreign" boundary is exactly (something that is not as clear)...
    Foreign refers to anything beyond the national confines of the U.S.

    ...as well as the little issue of whether the President can bypass FISA if it does *not* encroach.
    I have avoided no such thing. The President can bypass FISA. I think I have been quite clear on this issue. I have explained how this is so according to case law, legal opinion and a general exposition of President's charge of office.

    You see, if the Prez is really staying within his Constitutional authority, FISA is not limiting him. However, if he is exceeding it...then FISA is limiting him from taking on unlawful authority, that would not be unconstitutional.
    This doesn't follow. If a law does not apply then it can neither limit nor serve as reference for unlawful activity. If you believe FISA does apply: as in it limits the President's ability to gather foreign intelligence make that case. I will read it. Thus, far all I have noted from the handwringers has been innuendo.

    You didn't answer my two questions.
    Last edited by Pindar; 01-03-2006 at 21:33.

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    Default Re: Bush allowed NSA to spy within USA without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    You didn't answer my two questions.
    What two questions? Hadn't seen any when I posted.
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