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    The Sword of Rome Member Marcellus's Avatar
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    Default The European Union

    I know there's been a lot of threads about the EU already, but I was just wondering about what my fellow Organs think about the EU as a whole - is the current system working?

    Personally, I am for a political union in Europe. I am unsure about the extent of powers this union should have. I think there are problems with the current set up, and I am once again unsure as to whether these can be resolved within the current framework or whether the whole thing needs to be remade. It would probably be simpler if the whole thing was started again.

    What do you think?
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    I also support a political union. I'm wondering how come you haven't got lynched yet in your country for such blasphemous thoughts Marcellus
    Unfortunately the current set of institutions does not allow a proper orientation. See how long they fight for small compromises... the unanimity system causes the EU to advance at a crawl.

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    The EU needs a restart. There's a ton of useless bureaucrats sucking up money while politicians work on re-election instead of the Union. Hey, sounds a lot like democracy in action!
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    Default Re: The European Union

    the current eu economy is stronger than the american dollar. that's a good measure of global success even if domestically it may have efficiency problems.
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    Default Re: The European Union

    I support the EU. I think so far, as Solypsist pointed out the Euro is worth more than the US Dollar, so they're doing something right. A few minor organizational changes should be noted, but on the beaurocratic level its nowhere near the corruption in say, The Russian Federation.

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    I support the EU, it makes sense and is a great thing for every European.

    There are some changes which need to be done of course, especially makign the people the EU is meant to represent feel more connected with the whole procedure somehow.
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    Economic is fine. Political is not, due to some very distinct differences that can tear it apart (French arrogance, mainly. Yes, I know, but that's the main problem I see with it. And I mean arrogance in the foreign relations theater, not in general. The French Foreign Policy seems to be "You cannot intervene in other nations militarily because you are not French, but we, France, can and will!" How Chirac keeps getting re-elected I do not know.)

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    I only support an economic union in Europe
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    I voted 'I only support an economic union in Europe '

    I dont believe that a full union can ever work. Economically it makes sence, but only on flat playing field where all is equal.
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    Default Re: The European Union

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadesWolf
    I dont believe that a full union can ever work. Economically it makes sence, but only on flat playing field where all is equal.
    But to keep the playing field equal, isn't a political union necessary? Such equality would have to be artificial. Or do you mean on the basis that everyone does what they can within their means, no advantages such as subsidies or rebates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
    Or do you mean on the basis that everyone does what they can within their means, no advantages such as subsidies or rebates?
    Correct.

    I simply dont believe that a political union can work. Every country would need such a massive overall, that the cost would be unacceptable
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