FootBall,(soccer) Clip, MUST SEE

**Strike For The South** · 12-20-2005, 16:42

In football you can hit anyone in almost anyway (as long as you dont grab the face mask) In Rugby cant you only hit the ball carrier in limted ways? IE no going for his knees.

**Just A Girl** · 12-20-2005, 16:51

Originally Posted by strike for the south

In football you can hit anyone in almost anyway (as long as you dont grab the face mask) In Rugby cant you only hit the ball carrier in limted ways? IE no going for his knees.

a tackel must be below sholder height...
So no going for the head.

But that dosent mean they dont clothesline eachother if they feel like its gonna win them the game. Or stop the guy passing them.

Fingers in the eye aint uncommon,

Also if you Put a man up in the Air, Your responsible for him hiting the floor safley.

**Kanamori** · 12-20-2005, 16:52

Gay would be if they started slapping each other on their oh-so-muscular bottoms...

I didn't mean it.

Why are we still having this discussion. You guys can just admit that real football is better and move on

Any sporting event is a good time to crack open a few brews...

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 12-20-2005, 17:10

Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
I think Gawain was actually just comparing the popularity in the US, were American Football certainly enjoys the highest popularity.

I doubt that he would go as far as claiming that American Football would be more popular than soccer/football on a global level.

Exactly. Though football is a close second.

Soccer....

kick off pass from center forward to attacking mid, Attacking mid passes to defender. Defender hits a long ball up to man on the wing,
Intercepted by the defence.

A break. And counter attack,
ball is fumbled out of play,
And thats how it goes,

American football...

Start Throw the ball back people make there runs..
Hit a long ball up to a man on the wing,
intercepted by the defence.

A Break and counter attack.
Ball is fumbled out of play,

See what i mean?

the tactical game play is Almost Exactly the same for both, But with Soccer you dont get so many breaks to reassess why your loosing.
and of course in 1 of them you use your feet.

The only part thats the same is the size of the field , both have 11 players and in both your trying to move the ball down the field. We actually enjoy the break between the plays. Thats half the game trying to figure out what they will do next. You have no idea of the complexity of this game.

however
In rugby you cant pass forward.

Well that settles it. You just took half the fun out of the game.

So the entire team has to move in unison in A staggered effect.

Oh how exciting!!!!!!!!!!

(The players them selfs must be very organised and work well as a team)
Its a constant charging game, Always pushing forward.
Tackle after tackle, And you dont stop after a tackle,
You throw more men at the ball.
Heads clashing together people get knocked out, Only to be kicked aside cos they fell on top of the ball.

Again sounds exactly like salugee only in that game the idea is to just keep the ball as much as you can and theres no scoring its a kids game.

Now once more. You can like rugby all you want. You can claim its a better game.But to try to say a poll here on these boards proves it is ludicrous to say the least. Try checking the facts. If your goig to go by which is more popular(watched) then football wins hands down. Theres no money in rugby as compared to football. If there was it would be televised everywhere like the NFL.

The spirit of the thread seems to be centered around which group of athletes is tougher, though.

I'd be interested to see a top-flight group of rugby players go up against a top-flight group of football players in neutral events to determine who has superior athletic ability. The four main types, which are common to both sports, would seem to be strength, speed, endurance, and agility.

You could either go with a Battle of the Network Stars type setup, or something like the NFL combine. The former would be infinitely more entertaining, with events like the obstacle course, tug-of-war, steeplechase, etc. The latter, though, would probably be more accurate. Even though the games are played much differently, the core athletic abilities required are very similar.

How about this series of drills (what they measure in parentheses):

40 yard dash: A player runs 40 yards as fast as he can. He is timed at three increments: 10, 20 and 40 yards. (Pure speed from Point A to Point B under ideal conditions)

225 lb. bench press: The player lies on a weight bench and lifts a 225-pound barbell as many times as he can. He has to lower it to his chest each time to count as a legitimate repetition. (Strength and conditioning)

20 yard shuttle: The player straddles a yard line and puts one hand down in a three-point stance. He can start by going either right or left. Let's say he starts at the 5, with the goal line to his right. He runs 5 yards to his right and touches the goal line with his right hand. He then runs 10 yards to his left and touches the 10-yard line with his left hand. He finishes by running back to the 5. (Lateral quickness, coordination and change of direction)

60 yard shuttle: From a starting line, a player runs 5 yards and back, then 10 yards and back, then 15 yards and back. He must bend down and touch the line at each 5-, 10- and 15-yard interval, for a total of six touches. (Speed, endurance and conditioning)

Vertical jump: The player stands flat-footed and raises his arm straight up. His reach is measured from the ground to the tip of his fingers with a telescopic ruler. The pole is lowered to that height. The player then jumps straight up and hits as many plastic flags as he can. The flags, spaced half an inch apart, rotate when hit. (Vertical leg explosion)

Broad jump: The player puts his toes on a line and leaps forward. Distance is measured from the line to where his heels land. (Leg explosion, quickness and lateral burst)

3 cone drill: Three orange cones are placed on the field forming an "L." Cone 1 is at the end of the L, Cone 2 is at the corner of the L and Cone 3 is at the top of the L. There are 5 yards between each cone. The player starts by getting down in a three-point stance next to Cone 1. He runs to Cone 2, bends down and touches a line with his right hand. Then he turns and runs back to Cone 1, bends down and touches that line with his right hand. Then he runs back to Cone 2 and around the outside of it, weaves inside Cone 3 (as if he were running a figure eight), then cuts tightly around the outside of Cones 3 and 2 before finishing at Cone 1 in a full sprint. (Speed, quickness, flexibility, change of direction, body control)

100 yard dash: A player runs 40 yards as fast as he can. (Speed and endurance)

1/4 mile run: A player runs 1/4 mile as fast as he can. (Speed, conditioning, and endurance)

Description of most of the drills from here.

I added the 100 yard dash and 1/4 mile run because rugby is more of a constant motion game, and therefore thought that there should be more drills that measured endurance and conditioning rather than just burst and raw strength.

I will say this thread has spurred an interest in rugby and I intend to find a game on the tv someday. I guess Ill have to up my cable.

**Just A Girl** · 12-20-2005, 17:15

well im glad you may watch rugby some time,

Prehaps we can continue this debate then :).

And i think id like to see 15 all star american foot ballers vs 15 of the best rugby players
In a full game of rugby.

**master of the puppets** · 12-20-2005, 17:22

lets shall, football is better than rugby...why...uh i dunno, i barely watch either but since football is more american,

FOOTBALL

**Fragony** · 12-20-2005, 17:27

All sports that are played profesionally are very strategic I guess. Same with american football probably, but it is so boring to watch, clash, wait, repeat. In football you have formations, attacks, counters, the game flows.

**Taffy_is_a_Taff** · 12-20-2005, 17:32

to clarify:

not all of these sports are just like rugby but slightly different.
Aussie rules is pretty similar to Gaelic football.

most of the games have something in common like a ball that can be handled as well as kicked.

That's it (except for Aussie rules and Gaelic football).

**master of the puppets** · 12-20-2005, 18:04

it flows?, its just a copuple o people runnin after a ball either evading or passing. hell if i dosed up my cats on katnip and gave um a ball of yarn, TA-DA a soccer match, and a very violent one at that.

**Fragony** · 12-20-2005, 18:12

Originally Posted by master of the puppets

it flows?, its just a copuple o people runnin after a ball either evading or passing. hell if i dosed up my cats on katnip and gave um a ball of yarn, TA-DA a soccer match, and a very violent one at that.

At least it isn't paused every 10 seconds, it is a strategic game between two teams that just keeps going, it is about breaking eachothers formations, outsmarting them. I am sure that there is some strategy involved in bumping into eachother all the time without any result at all, but it just seems lame to me. And the rest of the world agrees