FootBall,(soccer) Clip, MUST SEE

[Just A Girl]

How many americans voted for rugby 1?

I dont Know :(
Something happend and now this topic has a diferent name and the poll dissapeared.

But i know a few americans who prefer rugby,
quite a few play the game,
americans even came to play vs the irish in 2001,

so its not like all americans think like you do....


P.s

just before the poll disapeared.
The votes were
American football 14
rugby 44
Gah 14

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

One of my (very Irish yet American) girlfriend's cousins plays football for his high school, but he also plays rugby.

I will ask him at Christmas dinner about his opinion.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

so its not like all americans think like you do....

The only american here who voted rugby was Tak I believe and he doesnt like most things american. If you took a poll of americans I have no doubt 99% would vote for football. 85% would ask whats rugby?

[Just A Girl]

The only american here who voted rugby was Tak I believe and he doesnt like most things american. If you took a poll of americans I have no doubt 99% would vote for football. 85% would ask whats rugby?

dont you mean 85% would say whats rugby.
15% say they prefer rugby.

try to bear in mind your one of the 85% who dont have much of a clue about rugby.

[Kagemusha]

I say Gah! My favourite team sport is icehockey.It has complex tactics lot of speed and its also very physical sport.

[Just A Girl]

I say Gah! My favourite team sport is icehockey.It has complex tactics lot of speed and its also very physical sport.

Shall we all tell him why ice hokey cant compare...?
Or should we just let him get away with such blasphemy ?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

dont you mean 85% would say whats rugby.
15% say they prefer rugby.

No I mean just what I said.

try to bear in mind your one of the 85% who dont have much of a clue about rugby.

No Im one of the 15% who have heard of it. 15% still dont have much of a clue about rugby but theve heard of it. Im a sports nut. I watch all kinds of sports. I watch australian fooball and its a gas. Those guys are nuts. Look this is a matter of taste. Your entitled to your opinion, But trying to make out that rugby is more popular than football is a joke. Its not even close. Again only soccer comes close to football in popularity and thats because its played by the whole world. Baseball here our national pastme doesnt even come close.

Again did you watch the last clip I posted? You cant tell me people get hit like that in rugby.

[Just A Girl]

Austrailian rules is basically rugby but with more goals,

The link you posted was a page of text.
And how can a sport that is confined to america be more poular than a sport played all over the world including america?

[Kagemusha]

Shall we all tell him why ice hokey cant compare...?
Or should we just let him get away with such blasphemy ?

By all means gentlemen.Please tell me.

[Fragony]

And how can a sport that is confined to america be more poular than a sport played all over the world including america?

Didn't you know? The world is america

Always funny to hear americans about them dominating the real sports, the sports only they play American football = gay pride gone wrong.

[Just A Girl]

By all means gentlemen.Please tell me.

Hokey where i come from is a womans game,
Ice skating where i come from is a womans game.
Padding where i come from is for women
ther are FOUR Quaters not 3.

The only redeeming factor ice hokey has is that you can have a 1 v 1 fight,
But honestly id rather go watch a boxing match than sit through "3 quaters" of an ice hokey game in the hope there may be a fight.

Didn't you know? The world is america

Always funny to hear americans about them dominating the real sports, the sports only they play American football = gay pride gone wrong.

Gah.
I forgot All about AMERICA being the entire planet,
(well north america South america Isnt conciderd america by people in the USA)

I should know that the USA = The entier planet. I mean the "world seriese" is just america!!!!
Gah.
Im so dumb at times! How could i have thought the world consisted of anything more then The united states

[BDC]

I find the tight trousers and heavy faux-muscle padding of American football quite... gay.

Very off putting. I'd rather take the pink spandex-wearing French team.

[Ser Clegane]

And how can a sport that is confined to america be more poular than a sport played all over the world including america?

I think Gawain was actually just comparing the popularity in the US, were American Football certainly enjoys the highest popularity.

I doubt that he would go as far as claiming that American Football would be more popular than soccer/football on a global level.

[Kagemusha]

Hokey where i come from is a womans game,
Ice skating where i come from is a womans game.
Padding where i come from is for women
ther are FOUR Quaters not 3.

The only redeeming factor ice hokey has is that you can have a 1 v 1 fight,
But honestly id rather go watch a boxing match than sit through "3 quaters" of an ice hokey game in the hope there may be a fight.

I see your point there.Where i come from its not considered womans game.You should try it sometime.The difference between rugby and hockey is in hockey is that when you are hit in the hockey game you are not only checked in the free areas but also against boards of the ring.The reason you need padding is that with skates you can go lot faster then run.If you would play hockey without paddings you would be hospitalized after few chances.I think you have mixed up figure skating and icehockey.

[Fragony]

I find the tight trousers and heavy faux-muscle padding of American football quite... gay.

Indeed, there is something very homo-erotic about the whole thing. Won't be picking up soap in that shower, someone may just prove he is the alpha-male bonobo style.

[Just A Girl]

I think Gawain was actually just comparing the popularity in the US, were American Football certainly enjoys the highest popularity.

I doubt that he would go as far as claiming that American Football would be more popular than soccer/football on a global level.

Honestly to me...
football (soccer) Vs american football.
is an even race. I find both games Boring as hell lol.

Soccer....

kick off pass from center forward to attacking mid, Attacking mid passes to defender. Defender hits a long ball up to man on the wing,
Intercepted by the defence.

A break. And counter attack,
ball is fumbled out of play,
And thats how it goes,

American football...

Start Throw the ball back people make there runs..
Hit a long ball up to a man on the wing,
intercepted by the defence.

A Break and counter attack.
Ball is fumbled out of play,

See what i mean?

the tactical game play is Almost Exactly the same for both, But with Soccer you dont get so many breaks to reassess why your loosing.
and of course in 1 of them you use your feet.

to me There both Boring as hell.

however
In rugby you cant pass forward.
So the entire team has to move in unison in A staggered effect.
So they can keep playing the ball to a team mate,
(The players them selfs must be very organised and work well as a team)
Its a constant charging game, Always pushing forward.
Tackle after tackle, And you dont stop after a tackle,
You throw more men at the ball.
Heads clashing together people get knocked out, Only to be kicked aside cos they fell on top of the ball.

Although its A dificult game to gain ground in, A loose man with a well placed kick can run 1/2 the feild
And then catch the ball That he him self kicked.
Only to get taken out with a high diving tackle to the neck.

Ah yes.
Its a Wonderful game

The other 2 dont come close!

[Strike For The South]

In football you can hit anyone in almost anyway (as long as you dont grab the face mask) In Rugby cant you only hit the ball carrier in limted ways? IE no going for his knees.

[Just A Girl]

In football you can hit anyone in almost anyway (as long as you dont grab the face mask) In Rugby cant you only hit the ball carrier in limted ways? IE no going for his knees.

a tackel must be below sholder height...
So no going for the head.

But that dosent mean they dont clothesline eachother if they feel like its gonna win them the game. Or stop the guy passing them.

Fingers in the eye aint uncommon,

Also if you Put a man up in the Air, Your responsible for him hiting the floor safley.

[Kanamori]

Gay would be if they started slapping each other on their oh-so-muscular bottoms...



I didn't mean it.

Why are we still having this discussion. You guys can just admit that real football is better and move on


Any sporting event is a good time to crack open a few brews...

[Ldvs]

Rugby is shamefully unorganized. As Gawain said, the strength of football lies in the careful execution of a plan.

Yeah but 3 hours of "game" is... rather tedious. I'll grant you, US Handball is a good way to fight insomnia, though.

[Just A Girl]

But its not dissorganized,
If they were dissorganized they couldnt pass the ball,

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
I think Gawain was actually just comparing the popularity in the US, were American Football certainly enjoys the highest popularity.

I doubt that he would go as far as claiming that American Football would be more popular than soccer/football on a global level.

Exactly. Though football is a close second.

Soccer....

kick off pass from center forward to attacking mid, Attacking mid passes to defender. Defender hits a long ball up to man on the wing,
Intercepted by the defence.

A break. And counter attack,
ball is fumbled out of play,
And thats how it goes,

American football...

Start Throw the ball back people make there runs..
Hit a long ball up to a man on the wing,
intercepted by the defence.

A Break and counter attack.
Ball is fumbled out of play,

See what i mean?

the tactical game play is Almost Exactly the same for both, But with Soccer you dont get so many breaks to reassess why your loosing.
and of course in 1 of them you use your feet.

The only part thats the same is the size of the field , both have 11 players and in both your trying to move the ball down the field. We actually enjoy the break between the plays. Thats half the game trying to figure out what they will do next. You have no idea of the complexity of this game.

however
In rugby you cant pass forward.

Well that settles it. You just took half the fun out of the game.

So the entire team has to move in unison in A staggered effect.

Oh how exciting!!!!!!!!!!

(The players them selfs must be very organised and work well as a team)
Its a constant charging game, Always pushing forward.
Tackle after tackle, And you dont stop after a tackle,
You throw more men at the ball.
Heads clashing together people get knocked out, Only to be kicked aside cos they fell on top of the ball.

Again sounds exactly like salugee only in that game the idea is to just keep the ball as much as you can and theres no scoring its a kids game.

Now once more. You can like rugby all you want. You can claim its a better game.But to try to say a poll here on these boards proves it is ludicrous to say the least. Try checking the facts. If your goig to go by which is more popular(watched) then football wins hands down. Theres no money in rugby as compared to football. If there was it would be televised everywhere like the NFL.

The spirit of the thread seems to be centered around which group of athletes is tougher, though.

I'd be interested to see a top-flight group of rugby players go up against a top-flight group of football players in neutral events to determine who has superior athletic ability. The four main types, which are common to both sports, would seem to be strength, speed, endurance, and agility.

You could either go with a Battle of the Network Stars type setup, or something like the NFL combine. The former would be infinitely more entertaining, with events like the obstacle course, tug-of-war, steeplechase, etc. The latter, though, would probably be more accurate. Even though the games are played much differently, the core athletic abilities required are very similar.

How about this series of drills (what they measure in parentheses):

40 yard dash: A player runs 40 yards as fast as he can. He is timed at three increments: 10, 20 and 40 yards. (Pure speed from Point A to Point B under ideal conditions)

225 lb. bench press: The player lies on a weight bench and lifts a 225-pound barbell as many times as he can. He has to lower it to his chest each time to count as a legitimate repetition. (Strength and conditioning)

20 yard shuttle: The player straddles a yard line and puts one hand down in a three-point stance. He can start by going either right or left. Let's say he starts at the 5, with the goal line to his right. He runs 5 yards to his right and touches the goal line with his right hand. He then runs 10 yards to his left and touches the 10-yard line with his left hand. He finishes by running back to the 5. (Lateral quickness, coordination and change of direction)

60 yard shuttle: From a starting line, a player runs 5 yards and back, then 10 yards and back, then 15 yards and back. He must bend down and touch the line at each 5-, 10- and 15-yard interval, for a total of six touches. (Speed, endurance and conditioning)

Vertical jump: The player stands flat-footed and raises his arm straight up. His reach is measured from the ground to the tip of his fingers with a telescopic ruler. The pole is lowered to that height. The player then jumps straight up and hits as many plastic flags as he can. The flags, spaced half an inch apart, rotate when hit. (Vertical leg explosion)

Broad jump: The player puts his toes on a line and leaps forward. Distance is measured from the line to where his heels land. (Leg explosion, quickness and lateral burst)

3 cone drill: Three orange cones are placed on the field forming an "L." Cone 1 is at the end of the L, Cone 2 is at the corner of the L and Cone 3 is at the top of the L. There are 5 yards between each cone. The player starts by getting down in a three-point stance next to Cone 1. He runs to Cone 2, bends down and touches a line with his right hand. Then he turns and runs back to Cone 1, bends down and touches that line with his right hand. Then he runs back to Cone 2 and around the outside of it, weaves inside Cone 3 (as if he were running a figure eight), then cuts tightly around the outside of Cones 3 and 2 before finishing at Cone 1 in a full sprint. (Speed, quickness, flexibility, change of direction, body control)

100 yard dash: A player runs 40 yards as fast as he can. (Speed and endurance)

1/4 mile run: A player runs 1/4 mile as fast as he can. (Speed, conditioning, and endurance)

Description of most of the drills from here.

I added the 100 yard dash and 1/4 mile run because rugby is more of a constant motion game, and therefore thought that there should be more drills that measured endurance and conditioning rather than just burst and raw strength.


I will say this thread has spurred an interest in rugby and I intend to find a game on the tv someday. I guess Ill have to up my cable.

[ScionTheWorm]

I find it funny how americans are so against soccer and calls it a sissy sport only because they are afraid that such a kick ass sport may erase their culture. I've heard it's become a political issue, for example John Kerry had to keep it secret that he liked the sport during the election campaign

regarding rugby vs american football I'll shut up. actually I believe american is as violent as rugby, but I really can't tell.

[Just A Girl]

well im glad you may watch rugby some time,

Prehaps we can continue this debate then :).

And i think id like to see 15 all star american foot ballers vs 15 of the best rugby players
In a full game of rugby.

[master of the puppets]

lets shall, football is better than rugby...why...uh i dunno, i barely watch either but since football is more american,

FOOTBALL

[Fragony]

All sports that are played profesionally are very strategic I guess. Same with american football probably, but it is so boring to watch, clash, wait, repeat. In football you have formations, attacks, counters, the game flows.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

to clarify:

not all of these sports are just like rugby but slightly different.
Aussie rules is pretty similar to Gaelic football.

most of the games have something in common like a ball that can be handled as well as kicked.

That's it (except for Aussie rules and Gaelic football).

[master of the puppets]

it flows?, its just a copuple o people runnin after a ball either evading or passing. hell if i dosed up my cats on katnip and gave um a ball of yarn, TA-DA a soccer match, and a very violent one at that.

[Fragony]

it flows?, its just a copuple o people runnin after a ball either evading or passing. hell if i dosed up my cats on katnip and gave um a ball of yarn, TA-DA a soccer match, and a very violent one at that.

At least it isn't paused every 10 seconds, it is a strategic game between two teams that just keeps going, it is about breaking eachothers formations, outsmarting them. I am sure that there is some strategy involved in bumping into eachother all the time without any result at all, but it just seems lame to me. And the rest of the world agrees

[Just A Girl]

it flows?, its just a copuple o people runnin after a ball either evading or passing. hell if i dosed up my cats on katnip and gave um a ball of yarn, TA-DA a soccer match, and a very violent one at that.

At least it isn't paused every 10 seconds, it is a strategic game between two teams that just keeps going, it is about breaking eachothers formations, outsmarting them. I am sure that there is some strategy involved in bumping into eachother all the time without any result at all, but it just seems lame to me. And the rest of the world agrees

Im telling ya they both suck compared to rugby union,
Its the only real sport!

so get ya heads down and ruck up.