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    And the Judge blasts the religious right for hypocrisy to boot (I just had to include that little highlight first):

    'The judge made a point of singling out the school board members and the "breathtaking inanity" of the decision for criticism. “It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy," he wrote.'

    The full article:

    Judge rules against ‘intelligent design’
    'Religious alternative' to evolution cannot be taught in public school classes

    Updated: 12:28 p.m. ET Dec. 20, 2005
    HARRISBURG, Pa. - "Intelligent design" is "a religious alternative masquerading as a scientific theory" and cannot be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial.

    Dover Area School Board members violated the Constitution when they ordered that its biology curriculum must include the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III said.

    “We find that the secular purposes claimed by the Board amount to a pretext for the Board’s real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom,” he wrote in his 139-page opinion. “The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy,” Jones wrote, adding that several members repeatedly lied to cover their motives even while professing religious beliefs.

    The board’s attorneys had said members were seeking to improve science education by exposing students to alternatives to Charles Darwin’s theory that evolution develops through natural selection. Intelligent-design proponents argue that the theory cannot fully explain the existence of complex life forms.

    The plaintiffs challenging the policy argued that intelligent design amounts to a secular repackaging of creationism, which the courts have already ruled cannot be taught in public schools. The judge agreed.

    “We conclude that the religious nature of ID would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child," Jones said.

    The school board policy, adopted in October 2004, was believed to have been the first of its kind in the nation. It required students to hear a statement about intelligent design before ninth-grade biology lessons on evolution. The statement said Charles Darwin’s theory is “not a fact” and has inexplicable “gaps” and referred students to an intelligent-design textbook, “Of Pandas and People,” for more information.

    Jones blasted the disclaimer, saying it "singles out the theory of evolution for special treatment, misrepresents its status in the scientific community, causes students to doubt its validity without scientific justification, presents students with a religious alternative masquerading as a scientific theory, directs them to consult a creationist text as though it were a science resource and instructs students to forgo scientific inquiry in the public school classroom and instead to seek out religious instruction elsewhere."

    Jones wrote that he wasn’t saying the intelligent design concept shouldn’t be studied and discussed, saying its advocates “have bona fide and deeply held beliefs which drive their scholarly endeavors.”

    But, he wrote, “our conclusion today is that it is unconstitutional to teach ID as an alternative to evolution in a public school science classroom.”

    The judge made a point of singling out the school board members and the "breathtaking inanity" of the decision for criticism. “It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy," he wrote.

    “Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge," Jones wrote. "If so, they will have erred. ... Rather, this case came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction on a school board, aided by a national public interest law firm eager to find a constitutional test case on ID, who in combination drove the Board to adopt an imprudent and ultimately unconstitutional policy. ... The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources.”

    Case divided the community
    The controversy divided the community and galvanized voters to oust eight incumbent school board members who supported the policy in the Nov. 8 school board election.

    The board members were replaced by a slate of eight opponents who pledged to remove intelligent design from the science curriculum.

    Eric Rothschild, the lead attorney for the families who challenged the policy, called the ruling “a real vindication for the parents who had the courage to stand up and say there was something wrong in their school district.”

    Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel of the Thomas More Law Center in Ann Arbor, Mich., which represented the school board, did not immediately return a telephone message seeking comment.

    The dispute is the latest chapter in a long-running debate over the teaching of evolution dating back to the famous 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial, in which Tennessee biology teacher John T. Scopes was fined $100 for violating a state law that forbade teaching evolution. The Tennessee Supreme Court reversed his conviction on a technicality, and the law was repealed in 1967.

    Jones heard arguments in the fall during a six-week trial in which expert witnesses for each side debated intelligent design’s scientific merits. Other witnesses, including current and former school board members, disagreed over whether creationism was discussed in board meetings months before the curriculum change was adopted.

    The case is among at least a handful that have focused new attention on the teaching of evolution in the nation’s schools.

    Earlier this month, a federal appeals court in Georgia heard arguments over whether evolution disclaimer stickers placed in a school system’s biology textbooks were unconstitutional. A federal judge in January ordered Cobb County school officials to immediately remove the stickers, which called evolution a theory, not a fact.

    In November, state education officials in Kansas adopted new classroom science standards that call the theory of evolution into question.

    © 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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    Care to place your bets that it gets appealed to the Supreme Court?
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redleg
    Care to place your bets that it gets appealed to the Supreme Court?
    I'm absolutley certain it will-- that, I think, was why the lobby group supported the school board in the first place. But from the decisiveness of this ruling, I'm not sure that there is even grounds for an appeal.
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    Here's a link to a .pdf of the entire reading, for you legal aficionados:

    http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/images/12/20/kitzmiller.pdf
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    Finally, some sense has returned to Pennsylvania schools!
    "Look I’ve got my old pledge card a bit battered and crumpled we said we’d provide more turches churches teachers and we have I can remember when people used to say the Japanese are better than us the Germans are better than us the French are better than us well it’s great to be able to say we’re better than them I think Mr Kennedy well we all congratulate on his baby and the Tories are you remembering what I’m remembering boom and bust negative equity remember Mr Howard I mean are you thinking what I’m thinking I’m remembering it’s all a bit wonky isn’t it?"

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    But from the decisiveness of this ruling, I'm not sure that there is even grounds for an appeal.
    Thats exactly why it will be appealed, The judge clearly has an agenda.
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    A well crafted ruling, indeed.

    Playing the devils advocate: what are the chances that if it does make it to the SCOTU, the appealing party (the creationists) could stall enough time for one of the secular minded judges to die (I understand most of them are quite old), be replaced by a conservative judge by Bush, thus tipping the balance in ID's favour

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    his will be overturned no doubt.. Not religion nor god nor ID was even mentioned nevermind taught by the boards ruling.

    Its was more like a disclaimer at the start of teaching something. Then of course there is also the credible claim that Darwin converted to christianity and renounced evolution as we see it today.

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    Then of course there is also the credible claim
    Gawain , I know you have a fondness for some strange sources for "facts" , but do you know the meaning of the word "credible" ?
    Or did you even read any of the links you just posted ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    Then of course there is also the credible claim
    Gawain , I know you have a fondness for some strange sources for "facts" , but do you know the meaning of the word "credible" ?
    Or did you even read any of the links you just posted ?
    Indeed. The very sources Gawain cites refute the specious 'Lady Hope' story. And even if it were true, it would not change the science.
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    Indeed. The very sources Gawain cites refute the specious 'Lady Hope' story.
    No no no , the one with the dinosaurs and humans living in harmony supports it , (2nd or 3rd one down)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    his will be overturned no doubt.. Not religion nor god nor ID was even mentioned nevermind taught by the boards ruling.
    Boards don't teach anything. Boards determine what teachers should teach. In this case a board ordered that ID should be tought as an alternative to evolution in a scientific context.

    Its was more like a disclaimer at the start of teaching something.
    See above. You're probably confusing this with the sticker case, wich was a different case with the same subject.

    Then of course there is also the credible claim that Darwin converted to christianity and renounced evolution as we see it today.

    LINK
    Good going, by presenting a google query as a supporting element for your argument

    From one of the more suspiciously sounding sites on the first page:

    It therefore appears that Darwin did not recant, and it is a pity that to this day the Lady Hope story occasionally appears in tracts published and given out by well-meaning people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    his will be overturned no doubt.. Not religion nor god nor ID was even mentioned nevermind taught by the boards ruling.

    Its was more like a disclaimer at the start of teaching something. Then of course there is also the credible claim that Darwin converted to christianity and renounced evolution as we see it today.
    Gawain, nothing you posted above is true. In fact, I'm having trouble finding anything you've posted in the thread that represents a fair representation of the truth. Got news for you, just saying it doesn't make it true (do me a favor and pass that on to Rush and Bush.)

    Let's take a look at the ruling...note the items in italics. Care to rephrase any of that? Here is an idea, actually review the matter a little first before being so certain.

    On October 18, 2004, the Defendant Dover Area School Board of Directors
    passed by a 6-3 vote the following resolution:

    Students will be made aware of gaps/problems in Darwin’s theory and of other theories of evolution including, but not limited to, intelligent design. Note: Origins of Life is not taught.

    On November 19, 2004, the Defendant Dover Area School District announced by press release that, commencing in January 2005, teachers would be required to read the following statement to students in the ninth grade biology class at Dover High School:

    The Pennsylvania Academic Standards require students to learn about Darwin’s Theory of Evolution and eventually to take a standardized test of which evolution is a part. Because Darwin’s Theory is a theory, it continues to be tested as new evidence is discovered. The Theory is not
    a fact. Gaps in the Theory exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations. Intelligent Design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view. The reference book, Of Pandas and People, is available for students who might be interested in gaining an understanding of what Intelligent Design actually involves. With respect to any theory, students are encouraged to keep an open mind. The school leaves the discussion of the Origins of Life to individual students and their
    families. As a Standards-driven district, class instruction focuses upon preparing students to achieve proficiency on Standards-based assessments.
    It's a rather clear cut endorsement of one over the other. School distribution of a separate book for ID is also listed. Note that there is no mention of the lack of support for Intelligent Design as a theory. So why all the disclaimers on Darwinism?

    And of course there is the reality that the normal course was taken politically, fundamentalists hijacked the school board. They are pretty good at getting out the vote for local elections so they can evangelize to the MAJORITY later. However, the sleeping majorty awakened and ejected the scoundrels in the next election (all eight that were up for re-election IIRC.)

    It's rather obvious who has what agenda on this matter...

    What I've read so far of the ruling in the pdf looks pretty strong (but I'm not an attorney.) Looks to me they will have an uphill fight on appeal, instead going for bias approaches to set aside the verdict and ignoring the facts of the case. Pretty much par for the course for the religious right.
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