An easy way to make hoplites' phalanx realistic.

[Alexius_1984]

Hi, I've done this mod, but when I play a battle, the hoplites don't actually thrust their spears. They hold them overarm, like they are supposed to, but it's a bit stupid if they don't actually fight with them. Is there some way to fix this? Thanks!

[wlesmana]

Yea but not that easy, basically you'll need to create a new animation for their attack, which is not that easy unlss you're familiar with 3dsmax and animation. You could use the javelinman's attack (thrown javelin) animation but it looks sorta odd.

The easiest way is, of course, to download SignifierOne's animation pack, which includes the overhand hoplite animation set. Look for it at TWC.

[Alexius_1984]

Thanks, I'll check that out.

[Spartan198]

Hi, I've done this mod, but when I play a battle, the hoplites don't actually thrust their spears. They hold them overarm, like they are supposed to, but it's a bit stupid if they don't actually fight with them. Is there some way to fix this? Thanks!

I just now tested this mod and my hoplites thrust their spears. I only tested it on one hoplite unit,but should that matter?

[Darkvicer98]

A question. The Armoured Hoplites and Spartans Hoplites have fs_slow_spearman under their skeleton.

Does it work if you change it to fs_slow_javelinman? If i take out the slow bit the Armoured and Spartan Hoplites go too fast and unrealistic.

[wlesmana]

The "fast" and "slow" part only affects running though, and nothing else.

[comrade_general]

When I use the short_pike attribute the units just walk lazily into eachother and pull their swords immediately. This is even in phalanx mode and they don't even attempt to use their short spears. Has anyone else tried the short_pike attribute and seen this too? Or is there something else that might be changed that is causing this...? If I had my other computer I would post a screen.

[wlesmana]

If the stats for their second weapon (the sword) is higher than the pikes, then they'd use them instead for close combat. If you want them to never use the sword, just remove the secondary weapon stats by making them 0s like other units with one weapon. short_pike doesn't behave like phalanx. Basically they behave more like regular spearmen except with the option to raise or lower the short pikes.

[Novellus]

I almost had this working:

I had a unit of Militia Hoplites and their code looked like this:

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type greek hoplite militia
dictionary greek_hoplite_militia ; Militia Hoplites
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Light_1
soldier greek_hoplite_militia, 40, 0, 1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
formation 1, 1, 2, 2, 5, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 5, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr spear, spear_bonus_8, short_pike
stat_sec 3, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 0, 3, 5, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground 2, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental 4, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 230, 100, 30, 40, 230
ownership greek, slave

But all of their spears are backwards due to the overhand animation I borrowed from some peltasts. And I heard that there's no way to fix the spears without changing the model UNLESS I hear otherwise.