Traits and Ancillaries Frequently Asked Questions

[Sir Edward]

Is the avenger/father avenged system working? I have been playing this game since .72 and have never seen a character mine or AI get one of these traits. I really like this idea for roleplaying pruposes gives some depth to what motivates certain charcters.

[Swordmaster]

How do I get the "hesitant attacker" trait?

    Condition EndedInEnemyZOC
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 10

What does that mean in game terms? Is the zone of control the red parts of the movement area? How does it then work with the remaining movement points?

[Puupertti Ruma]

How do I get the "hesitant attacker" trait?

    Condition EndedInEnemyZOC
          and RemainingMPPercentage > 10

What does that mean in game terms? Is the zone of control the red parts of the movement area? How does it then work with the remaining movement points?

First you have to be in the red parts yes, then if you have more movement points left than 10% the conditions are met. The movement point condition is there most likely to prevent the unwanted situation where you have moved your army from far away to attack and just run out of MP's to actually attack the enemy, but still are in the enemy zone of control.

So to get hesitant attacker, you have to park next to a enemy army and press end turn while being able to move (more than 10% of your total MP).

[Swordmaster]

First you have to be in the red parts yes, then if you have more movement points left than 10% the conditions are met. The movement point condition is there most likely to prevent the unwanted situation where you have moved your army from far away to attack and just run out of MP's to actually attack the enemy, but still are in the enemy zone of control.

So to get hesitant attacker, you have to park next to a enemy army and press end turn while being able to move (more than 10% of your total MP).

Okay, thanks. I'll have to watch out for that then, in the future. I hate that trait.

[Lysimachos]

I have a question regarding what term to use for the "give_trait" console command.
Assumed i have a family member who has a trait from the "Drink" group (Occasional Drinker, Likes a drink, etc.) and i want to increase this by one level. What exactly do i have to use? I have tried with drink as well as the respective levels like drunkard, drunken_lout, sot and it didn't work for me.

I think i have used the command only once before, to remove a trait, which worked instantly (had asked here for how to do it), so i have little insight in how it works.

[bovi]

Look the trait up in EDCT. It will say something like Trait <name> and have the levels that you can see in the game. That is, they are mapped from the internal level name to the display name in export_vnvs.txt.

[Lysimachos]

Look the trait up in EDCT. It will say something like Trait <name> and have the levels that you can see in the game. That is, they are mapped from the internal level name to the display name in export_vnvs.txt.

I had looked it up, but it didn't work for me, so i thought i must be using the wrong term. Now i tried again and it seems if there is a difference if lower or upper case is used
"drink" doesn't work, but "Drink" does...
Anyway, thank you for your help

[Thorakites]

Hi everyone!

For my first post after some weeks of just reading and playing EB I have a question concerning ancillaries.

In the descr. files and somewhere in this forum I read about the possibility of generals being taught certain traits by their ancillaries. According to the descr. file a galloper can have the effect of quote:

Scout 1CH75 and Tactics 1CH90

in addition to his obvious Attack+1 bonus.

My questions are:

Does the line 1CH75 have something to do with the chance of teaching the aforementioned trait? If so, what exactly? And is this teaching of traits possible during the entire time, a general keeps the galloper by his side? And last but not least: When the galloper is transferred to another general will he be able to teach him the same traits?

Thanks for replies in advance.
EB is a great game - I appreciate the forum and the game very much.

CU

Thorakites

[bovi]

Trigger galloper_has_been_acquired
  WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition Trait AcquireGalloper > 0

  Affects GalloperAcquired  2  Chance  100
  Affects NumAncillariesAcquired  1  Chance  100
  Affects Scout  1  Chance  75
  Affects TacticalSkill  1  Chance  90

"Chance" has to do with chance, yes. As you can see, it affects only the one who acquired the ancillary, and one time only. The attack factor is the only thing transferred when the ancillary is.

[Thorakites]

Thanks for the prompt answer.

Thorakites

[Thorakites]

One more question...

Does the ethnicity of a general affect his character traits only when he comes of age or marries one of the family´s daughters? Or is there a higher/lower chance of developing a certain set of character traits during his career?

Thorakites

[bovi]

In the first instance, they affect only his starting characteristics. However, those can cause development of other related traits.

[KhaziOfKalabara]

Is the avenger/father avenged system working? I have been playing this game since .72 and have never seen a character mine or AI get one of these traits. I really like this idea for roleplaying pruposes gives some depth to what motivates certain charcters.

Bovi? Foot? Anyone? Any response to this, pretty please?

[bovi]

I forgot about that one. The traits and triggers are there, but I haven't actually seen them take effect, no.

[Thorakites]

Thank you for your previous reply.

In the descr_ files I found the following:

Trait: Renown
; o Renowned_General (4): <Law> 1, <Influence> 1
; o Famous_General (12): <Law> 2, <Influence> 2

Trait Renown
Characters family
ExcludeCultures barbarian
NoGoingBackLevel 3
AntiTraits BadCommander

Level Renowned_General
Description Renowned_General_desc
EffectsDescription Renowned_General_effects_desc
Threshold 4

Effect Law 1
Effect Influence 1

I want to understand the trait system of EB better. I assume that the threshold is the number in brackets, right?

But what effect has the threshold on the trait system.

Furthermore I conclude that "Characters family" means that the trait is only available for FMs.

And last but not least: What does NoGoingBackLevel X mean?

Thank you for your support.

Thorakites

[BozosLiveHere]

Threshold is the number of trait points (what is awarded by Affects lines in the triggers) that are needed before the character acquires a certain trait level.

You are right about the Characters line.

NoGoingBackLevel means that once that trait level has been reached it will not be lost, even if the character acquires points in AntiTraits.

[Thorakites]

Thanks again.

You have made me curious: Is the number of trait points fixed? Can this be concluded from the descr_files? Are trait points dished out for every round? How does it actually work?

I know, I ask many questions - but the more answers I get, the more I want to know about it...

Cheers

Thorakites

[bovi]

Trait points are awarded in triggers. It is dynamic and follows the paths we program for them. For further info, read more of the EDCT. It's not all that difficult to read, promise.

[Thorakites]

Hi again,

I had a look in the descr. files as you proposed. In particular the file export_descr_character_traits is a real compendium.

One Question: For the Romani I found a pretty generalized list of the traits a young member of a particular gens is going to develop. For the other factions it seems that it is much more complex and totally depends on the individual youngster and his natural traits like Optimism which can not be fully seen in the game.

It did not take much time to copy the Roman list. But for the other factions it would be a great deal of work to develop a guide how to select family members better. Is there somewhere a general list of the specific tendencies for each ethnicity available?

Thanks for your support.

Thorakites

[bovi]

No, I don't think we have that kind of documentation. It's pretty easy to read out of EDCT though, as this example shows.

Trigger Basic_Ethnicity_Mods_Born_GensValeria
  WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

    Condition FactionType seleucid
          and Trait GensValeria > 1

  Affects Moderatus  1  Chance  50
  Affects Just       1  Chance  60
  Affects BadTaxman  1  Chance  60
  Affects BadFarmer  1  Chance  50

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Basic_Ethnicity_Mods_Born_GensIvnia
  WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

    Condition FactionType seleucid
          and Trait GensIvnia > 1

  Affects Securus           1  Chance  50
  Affects Crudelis          1  Chance  60
  Affects PlainRomanVirtue  1  Chance  60
  Affects Constans          1  Chance  50
  Affects HarshJustice      1  Chance  40
  Affects Optimate          1  Chance  90

[TheStranger]

I was looking for this in the whole thread but didn't find anything. So where can I see the traits descriptions? I mean those funny little stories which describes every trait you can read ingame?

[bovi]

EB/Data/text/export_VnVs.txt.

[everyone]

what exactly triggers the Royaleye trait effect to change? playing as hayasdan, the Royal eye trait description do not show any bonuses given. It seems in EDCT, it gives a +2 law or unrest; though I'm not exactly sure how those changes are acquired.

[TheStranger]

Thx alot bovi.

Hmm I looked in the data folder but maybe it was too late, so I didn't see that there is a text folder.

[bovi]

RoyalEye either increases law (increased public order and reduced corruption) or decreases unrest (increased public order, but only if there originally is unrest present), depending on level. Level depends on government type.