EB Governments

[GMT]

Someone asked for Karthage elsewhere, so here goes. Dunno if we will settle on this one, but here is Carthage's map:



Again, this is not what we have currently, but what we are aiming for.

type1:
Phoenician Homeland Province\n\nA Phoenician province is the basic building block of Carthaginian power. These encompass cities like Carthage itself, along with Hadramout and Lepki. The Home Provinces combine a rich Phoenician heritage and encompass the major trading and agricultural centers of the Carthaginian Empire, with most of the soldiers formed from Phoenician citizens as well. These provinces are dominated by agriculture and cottage industry, producing the wealth of grain and manufactured goods that make Carthage a rich power. Gazing into the verdant fields surrounding Carthage makes one realize her power.\n\nCarthage is ruled by a Shophet, the Hundred, and the Senate, in descending order of importance. The Shophet is elected and confirmed by the people and the Hundred respectively. The power of the Shophetim is based here, and any aspiring Shophet of Carthage would do well to remember this.

type2:
Phoenician Colony\n\nA colony of Phoenicians under Carthaginian control is known as a Mosaba Ponnit. It has rich agricultural potential, but is not so rich as the home provinces. The colonies are controlled by military governors, who can often amass as much power as the Shophet at home! Typical colonies encompass a city where Carthaginians, Liby-Phoenicians, and Libyans have come to set up industries and make the agricultural potential of a particular piece of land really shine. While not as heavily geared toward trading as the Emporia, the Colony has the base where goods are manufactured and processed.

Is the recruitment system for Carthage already finished?

And if so, why is it that I'm only able to recruit Iberian Velites in most type 2 provinces while I'm able to recruit a lot more unit types in other type 2 (or even type3) provinces with the same MIC level?

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[Teleklos Archelaou]

Is the recruitment system for Carthage already finished?

And if so, why is it that I'm only able to recruit Iberian Velites in most type 2 provinces while I'm able to recruit a lot more unit types in other type 2 (or even type3) provinces with the same MIC level?

GMT

hehe. In your post it says (right after the map) "Again, this is not what we have currently, but what we are aiming for."

But the question you are asking is one for the unit recruitment folks. To be honest I know very little about where units are able to be recruited or even about what factions set what types as able to recruit them. I can talk to you about theoretically what they should do and about bonuses, but that needs a faction coordinator for the Karthadastim to respond. I think that someone is working on a big chart or something to show what units are recruitable in what govts, but I haven't heard about it in the last few days. Sorry i can't respond to specifics about this faction - I know little enough about how greek units are distributed in their govts, much less other factions.

[Spendios]

I just have a little question:
In the beginning on my Pontos campaign I just decided to choose randomly Government types so most of my provinces were in type 2 or 3 (Satrapeia Persike o Hellenike) . After that I converted them to type 1 (Royal Pontos Territory) the strange thing is that now I have a lot of problems with public order and I can recruit less unit types (no more archers and slingers...) since Pontos doesn't seem to have "elite" units (the best infantry are thureophoroi, the best phalanx is pantodapoi phalangitai ) is that worth to convert your provinces in Royal Pontic Territory since other government are less expensive to create and allow to diversify your army ?
Is the decrease of public order normal ?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

I just have a little question:
In the beginning on my Pontos campaign I just decided to choose randomly Government types so most of my provinces were in type 2 or 3 (Satrapeia Persike o Hellenike) . After that I converted them to type 1 (Royal Pontos Territory) the strange thing is that now I have a lot of problems with public order and I can recruit less unit types (no more archers and slingers...) since Pontos doesn't seem to have "elite" units (the best infantry are thureophoroi, the best phalanx is pantodapoi phalangitai ) is that worth to convert your provinces in Royal Pontic Territory since other government are less expensive to create and allow to diversify your army ?
Is the decrease of public order normal ?

That's a good idea for Pontos right now actually spendios. They don't have as many elite units right now as some factions. It might be a good idea for you to keep 2's and 3's and some 4's mixed in there instead of going for 1 everywhere. I put a 1 in Sinope and had a long slow go of it. I'm putting a 2 in nikomedia right now.

We will probably have this big exploit fixed in the next patch too - where you can't build any units without a government building in place. So that will help a lot. But until we get bonuses tweaked for govts (we aren't working on that just yet) and some of the best units for pontos in, it might be better to try 2's, 3's and 4's more often for them.

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GMT - yeah, the map is finished now, but it's not implemented into the game yet. So you won't experience what is on that map yet.

[GMT]

hehe. In your post it says (right after the map) "Again, this is not what we have currently, but what we are aiming for."

But the question you are asking is one for the unit recruitment folks. To be honest I know very little about where units are able to be recruited or even about what factions set what types as able to recruit them. I can talk to you about theoretically what they should do and about bonuses, but that needs a faction coordinator for the Karthadastim to respond. I think that someone is working on a big chart or something to show what units are recruitable in what govts, but I haven't heard about it in the last few days. Sorry i can't respond to specifics about this faction - I know little enough about how greek units are distributed in their govts, much less other factions.

Oh sorry, I read the update of your other post and there you said it was finished though

Type1 and Type2 governments

Karthadastim


Type1
Phoenician Homeland Province\n\nA Phoenician province is the basic building block of Carthaginian power. These encompass cities like Carthage itself, along with Hadramout and Lepki. The Home Provinces combine a rich Phoenician heritage and encompass the major trading and agricultural centers of the Carthaginian Empire, with most of the soldiers formed from Phoenician citizens as well. These provinces are dominated by agriculture and cottage industry, producing the wealth of grain and manufactured goods that make Carthage a rich power. Gazing into the verdant fields surrounding Carthage makes one realize her power.\n\nCarthage is ruled by a Shophet, the Hundred, and the Senate, in descending order of importance. The Shophet is elected and confirmed by the people and the Hundred respectively. The power of the Shophetim is based here, and any aspiring Shophet of Carthage would do well to remember this.

Type2
Phoenician Colony\n\nA colony of Phoenicians under Carthaginian control is known as a Mosaba Ponnit. It has rich agricultural potential, but is not so rich as the home provinces. The colonies are controlled by military governors, who can often amass as much power as the Shophet at home! Typical colonies encompass a city where Carthaginians, Liby-Phoenicians, and Libyans have come to set up industries and make the agricultural potential of a particular piece of land really shine. While not as heavily geared toward trading as the Emporia, the Colony has the base where goods are manufactured and processed.

Status: Final (ok'd by VC, Qwerty)

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[Darkarbiter]

About the whole idea of spawning governers on building a certain government type in a province and adding individual bonuses depending on the province. Yet another thing that was in MTW but not in RTW (each province had a scroll that could be assigned to a general that added command or acumen or pretty much anything). Perhaps governers should only be spawned upon construction of an academy or higher type building or just as soon as a government is built for barbarian factions. Also perhaps extra traits should be introduced for allready existing buildings of significant importance (silk roads that scrolls thing in rome etc). Would be good.

[Avicenna]

Yes, I think it was something like that. In some other post in the EB forum, I think someone said that the Irish had very similar genetic makeup to the ethnic Iberians.

[sgsandor]

are these good for .81a or .82?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Roughly. But some have been tweaked I'm sure. When the new map changes are finalized I might go through and redo them, but I'm not in a hurry till we get these finalized.