Rome: Total Gameplay (RTG), compatible with vanilla RTW v1.5

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

Sorry if my replies are slow today. The reason for this is my internet connection is lagging big-time, even though I'm on 2MB broadband...the joys of being on a network

I'm also putting together new faction previews, which as you know includes taking screenshots, editing and filehosting them, creating the topics etc etc, all of which is time consuming.

Those Dacian reskins and models were made by a couple of authors, Professor Spatula & webbird. The Prof's work mainly includes the darker brownish reskins of the PM units, although also featured is his AM Chosen Swordsmen & General's Bodyguards reskins. webbird's work (think this was influenced by Burebista) is mainly the AM units and models, such as the longshield Chosen Swordsmen.

The horse mount models and skins were complied by Pinarius, and there is now a wider variety of horse skins depending upon the type of horse used for the unit.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

I'm also putting together new faction previews, which as you know includes taking screenshots, editing and filehosting them, creating the topics etc etc, all of which is time consuming.

great! RTG's gonna be famous!!!!!

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

The Numidian Kingdom

Pre-Marius (PM) Units

Infantry

Early Auxilia


Missiles

Early Skirmishers


Cavalry

Long Shield Cavalry


Early General’s Bodyguards


After-Marius (AM) Units

Infantry

Auxilia


Legionaries


Missiles

Heavy Skirmishers


Onagers


Cavalry

Camels


Camel Archers


War Elephants


General’s Bodyguards


Units Unaffected By Reforms

Infantry

Town Militia


Desert Infantry


Missiles

Slingers


Archers


Cavalry

Numidian Cavalry


Note: the unit names used above are for simplified illustrative purposes only, and may be completely different in the next release.

Furthermore, none of the artwork featured in this preview was completed by myself. It is the featured artwork of several members of the TW community who have generously permitted me to use it in this modification.

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

The Greek Cities

Pre-Marius (PM) Units

Infantry

Early Greek Sword Hoplites


Early Militia Hoplites


Missiles

Early Peltasts


Cavalry

Early Greek Cavalry


Early General’s Bodyguards


After-Marius (AM) Units

Infantry

Spartans


Sword Hoplites


Armoured Hoplites


Missiles

Heavy Peltasts


Onagers


Ballistas


Cavalry

Heavy Cavalry


General’s Bodyguards


Units Unaffected By Reforms

Infantry

Greek Officer Core


Greek Hoplites


Missiles

Cretan Archers


Archers


Cavalry

Miltia Cavalry


Note: the unit names used above are for simplified illustrative purposes only, and may be completely different in the next release.

Furthermore, none of the artwork featured in this preview was completed by myself. It is the featured artwork of several members of the TW community who have generously permitted me to use it in this modification.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

why dont you put the review in the mod discussion thread? you can follow Hegemonia City States previews as examples! btw generals are renamed right? (like Strategos Royal Bodyguard)

[Ciaran]

The Marius reform works for other than the Roman factions as well? I mean, playing a non-Roman faction I don´t even get the reform message (which makes sense, actually, I bet few realized the import of the reform until it was too late and the Mulus Marius stood at their doorstep ;) )

[The Spartan (Returns)]

The Marius reform works for other than the Roman factions as well? I mean, playing a non-Roman faction I don´t even get the reform message (which makes sense, actually, I bet few realized the import of the reform until it was too late and the Mulus Marius stood at their doorstep ;) )

yeah thats why your generals get upgraded.

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

The Ptolemaic Dynasty

Pre-Marius (PM) Units

Infantry

Early Nubian Spearmen


Early Desert Axemen


Missiles

Early Archers


Cavalry

Early Nubian Cavalry


Early Desert Cavalry


Early General’s Bodyguards


After-Marius (AM) Units

Infantry

Pharaoh’s Guard


Desert Axemen


Missiles

Pharaoh’s Bowmen


Onagers


Cavalry

Heavy Cavalry


Desert Cavalry


Camel Archers


General’s Bodyguards


Units Unaffected By Reforms

Infantry

Nile Spearmen


Missiles

Slingers


Skirmishers


Note: the unit names used above are for simplified illustrative purposes only, and may be completely different in the next release.

Furthermore, none of the artwork featured in this preview was completed by myself. It is the featured artwork of several members of the TW community who have generously permitted me to use it in this modification.

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

why dont you put the review in the mod discussion thread? you can follow Hegemonia City States previews as examples! btw generals are renamed right? (like Strategos Royal Bodyguard)

Do you mean one giant discussion topic for all the factions, or individual discussion topics per faction? Personally, I feel that multiple faction topics would be a bit of

Don't worry about the unit names, I've used those ones as placeholders. Also, not all of the latest units have been given names & descriptions yet, so I'd rather not make them up

The Marius reform works for other than the Roman factions as well? I mean, playing a non-Roman faction I don´t even get the reform message (which makes sense, actually, I bet few realized the import of the reform until it was too late and the Mulus Marius stood at their doorstep ;) )

Well I'm sure they should work for non-Roman factions. The Romans were so overly concentrated on by the developers in vanilla that the other factions were somewhat neglected. This is reflected in areas such as unit rosters, stats etc.

I'm sure you can copy and paste existing event pics / descriptions into other cultures UI folders / text files, and this should force the game to display this information when the Reforms occur.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

Do you mean one giant discussion topic for all the factions, or individual discussion topics per faction?

why not a one giant discussion for all factions! wheres the am nubian spearman? l love the am desert axemen!

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

The Iberian Tribes

Pre-Marius (PM) Units

Infantry

Early Town Militia


Early Scutarii


Early Iberian Infantry


Cavalry

Early Round Shield Cavalry


Early Long Shield Cavalry


Early General’s Bodyguards


After-Marius (AM) Units

Infantry

Bull Warriors


Scutarii


Chosen Swordsmen


Heavy Infantry


Missiles

Archers


Onagers


Cavalry

Noble Cavalry


Cavalry Skirmishers


General’s Bodyguards


Units Unaffected By Reforms

Infantry

Naked Fanatics


Missiles

Slingers


Skirmishers


Cavalry

Wardogs


Note: the unit names used above are for simplified illustrative purposes only, and may be completely different in the next release.

Furthermore, none of the artwork featured in this preview was completed by myself. It is the featured artwork of several members of the TW community who have generously permitted me to use it in this modification.

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

why not a one giant discussion for all factions! wheres the am nubian spearman? l love the am desert axemen!

Thanks. I've binned the AM Nubian Spearmen to force the AI to build better quality heavy infantry rather than the light peasantry with poorer stats. Hopefully this will allow for more concentrated army stacks, and will provide greater challenges.

Did you also notice the ommitted chariots? Hopefully this should remove the AI auto-calc bonuses chariot units get on the strat map.

[EDIT:]Btw, update your sig with the new one I made a few posts back

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

The Romans

Pre-Marius (PM) Units

Infantry

Early Hastati


Early Princepes


Early Triarii


Missiles

Early Velites


Early Roman Archers


Cavalry

Early Equites


Early General's Bodyguards


After-Marius (AM) Units

Infantry

Auxilia


Early Legionary Cohort


Early Legionary First Cohort


Legionary Cohort


Legionary First Cohort


Praetorian Cohort


Missiles

Light Auxilia


Archer Auxilia


Repeating Ballistas


Ballistas


Scorpions


Onagers


Cavalry

Roman Cavalry


Cavalry Auxilia


General's Bodyguards


Units Unaffected By Reforms

Infantry

Murmillo Gladiators


Samnite Gladiators


Velite Gladiators



Note: the unit names used above are for simplified illustrative purposes only, and may be completely different in the next release.

Furthermore, none of the artwork featured in this preview was completed by myself. It is the featured artwork of several members of the TW community who have generously permitted me to use it in this modification.

Additionally, the Roman faction featured in this preview is the House Of Julii. The faction rosters are exactly the same for the House Of Brutii, The House Of Scipii and SPQR.

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

The Carthaginian Empire

Pre-Marius (PM) Units

Infantry

Early Infantry


Early Scutarii


Early Poeni Infantry


Cavalry

Early Round Shield Cavalry


Early Long Shield Cavalry


Early Elephants


Early General’s Bodyguards


After-Marius (AM) Units

Infantry

Sacred Band


Scutarii


Poeni Infantry


Missiles

Archers


Onagers


Cavalry

Heavy Cavalry


Sacred Band Cavalry


War Elephants


Armoured Elephants


General’s Bodyguards


Units Unaffected By Reforms

Infantry

Town Militia


Missiles

Slingers


Skirmishers


Note: the unit names used above are for simplified illustrative purposes only, and may be completely different in the next release.

Furthermore, none of the artwork featured in this preview was completed by myself. It is the featured artwork of several members of the TW community who have generously permitted me to use it in this modification.

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

The Britannic Tribes

Pre-Marius (PM) Units

Infantry

Early Woad Warriors


Early Warband


Early Swordsmen


Early Chosen Swordsmen


Missiles

Slingers


Cavalry

Early Barbarian Cavalry


Early General’s Bodyguards


After-Marius (AM) Units

Infantry

Woad Warriors


Swordsmen


Warband


Heavy Infantry


Chosen Swordsmen


Missiles

Chosen Archers


Heavy Skirmishers


Onagers


Cavalry

Noble Cavalry


Imperial Cavalry


General’s Bodyguards


Units Unaffected By Reforms

Infantry

Druids


Cavalry

Wardogs


Note: the unit names used above are for simplified illustrative purposes only, and may be completely different in the next release.

Furthermore, none of the artwork featured in this preview was completed by myself. It is the featured artwork of several members of the TW community who have generously permitted me to use it in this modification.

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

The Pontic Kingdom

Pre-Marius (PM) Units

Infantry

Early Eastern Infantry


Early Hillmen


Cavalry

Early Pontic Light Cavalry


Early General’s Bodyguards


After-Marius (AM) Units

Infantry

Sword Hoplites


Hillmen


Bronze Shields


Missiles

Onagers


Cavalry

East Heavy Cavalry


Cappadocian Cavalry


General’s Bodyguards


Units Unaffected By Reforms

Infantry

Phalanx Pikemen


Missiles

Archers


Peltasts


Note: the unit names used above are for simplified illustrative purposes only, and may be completely different in the next release.

Furthermore, none of the artwork featured in this preview was completed by myself. It is the featured artwork of several members of the TW community who have generously permitted me to use it in this modification.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

keep up the good work! btw how was tweaking general bodygaurds too be strong? hopefully pain less!

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

Haven't tweaked them yet

I'm actually thinking about reducing the number of cavalry contained in a generals bodyguard, because the size of faction leaders and heirs bodyguards is at present pretty much the same as a powerful cavalry unit.

I can always adjust stats to compensate for a reduction in bodyguard numbers though.

Btw, I've completed the vast majority of the new unit sprites. However, the total size of the sprites folder is the same as the whole of RTG Open Beta v0.2. I'll probably break the next release down into smaller downloads so that dial-up users can also download the mod.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

Btw, I've completed the vast majority of the new unit sprites. However, the total size of the sprites folder is the same as the whole of RTG Open Beta v0.2. I'll probably break the next release down into smaller downloads so that dial-up users can also download the mod.

how would the smaller downloads be like? and just to be curios how big would the download be? (all of RTG V03)

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

Well RTG Open Beta v0.2 was around 85MB, so that gives you some idea how much space the new sprites take up by themselves All the ones that have been made so far have been converted to DDS format, which reduces the total filesize considerably.

As for the total filesize, well that's anyone's guess New units and all their related bits and pieces tend to eat-up filesize a lot. I'm not sure about the version number either, because of the depth of the changes that have been made over v0.2. Its hard to quantify how close the mod is to a 'complete' mod

More good news: I'm currently binning all the chariots from the game. This will free-up model entries in DMB, but should also prevent the auto-calc bias the AI receives when using chariots on the campaign map.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

perhaps i can still download RTGV3. if its at the most 170 mb.

[Ciaran]

Awesome. I still do wonder, can the Marius Reform affect other than Roman factions? I mean, have you actually tested that? Because as far as I know, until 1.3 it was the Marius reform that triggered the switch of the early to the late bodyguards for all factions, but I think in 1.3 and 1.5 the first Imperial Palace built by the respective faction triggers that. Though I wonder how the Barbarian factions level up in that case...

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

perhaps i can still download RTGV3. if its at the most 170 mb.

Areas such as sprites can always be seperated from the main download. Perhaps if several smaller downloads were made available, and installed seperately (some could be copy and paste, especially if its just one folder per download), this would make it easier for those with slower connections. Although it would mean more downloads, at least there would not be one large, and perhaps unreliable (depending upon filehoster) download.

Awesome. I still do wonder, can the Marius Reform affect other than Roman factions? I mean, have you actually tested that? Because as far as I know, until 1.3 it was the Marius reform that triggered the switch of the early to the late bodyguards for all factions, but I think in 1.3 and 1.5 the first Imperial Palace built by the respective faction triggers that. Though I wonder how the Barbarian factions level up in that case...

No, I haven't yet tested the transition of Marian Reforms on other factions, so there is an element of risk involved. If I'd had the time to play through a campaign until the first imperial palace was constructed, I would've done so, but I've been busy with other areas.

I don't believe the Marian Reforms only affects the Romans though. If you look at how things are coded in EDB, you can see that the bodyguard upgrade triggers are coded into specific core buildings, dependent upon culture type.

Also, the vanilla Roman unit entries use and not marian_reforms (Pre-Marius units), as well as and marian_reforms (After-Marian units). As mentioned in a previous post, I think the reason other cultures (non-Roman) don't receive notification of the Marian Reforms event is because they don't have the eventpics in their UI folders. I've since added these for the other cultures, so hopefully this should display the message once it occurs.

I know that the Marian Reforms are triggered to occur once the first imperial palace is built in a region that contains the Italy hidden resource. I'm tempted to take a shortcut to see if the reforms work properly. I may have a look into this shortcut using a variety of different factions, even though my EDB unit lists are still incomplete

[The Spartan (Returns)]

why dont you try making reforms at a certain date? imo reforms are too early and i dont get to use Triarii.

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

Right, I've just used the shortcut method to force the Marius Reforms event (playing as the Julii), basically by constructing an imperial palace. When the palace was completed, the Marius Reforms event occurred. The faction rosters for the Julii were updated, as usual. Now for the twist.

After using a combination of ER's Beginners Guide to Scripting, Myrddraal's More than 2 turns per year topic, and player1's faction switcher script, I managed to switch between factions to see if other faction rosters had been updated. Sure enough, the faction's I checked had updated correctly, so that's great news

I'd like to thank Ciaran for getting me to think about testing this area out, as well as advising on the possibilities of the faction switch ability, and details of the Marian Reforms. Also thanks to ER, Myrddraal & player1 for enabling me to test out if the Marian Reforms had updated other faction rosters.

why dont you try making reforms at a certain date? imo reforms are too early and i dont get to use Triarii.

Hmm, I could just make Town Watch recruitable for the Roman factions after the Marian Reforms have occurred. This way, they could recruit Hastati @ Barracks, Princepes @ Militia Barracks and Triarii @ City Barracks. This may make the Romans overpowered though, unless the Triarii were made available from the City Barracks at the same time as Principes.

Which recruitment method do you think would work best?

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

The Armenian Kingdom

Pre-Marius (PM) Units

Infantry

Early Hillmen


Early Heavy Spearmen


Cavalry

Early Horse Archers


Early General’s Bodyguards


After-Marius (AM) Units

Infantry

Legionaries


Hillmen


Heavy Spearmen


Missiles

Onagers


Cavalry

East Heavy Cavalry


Cataphracts


Cataphract Archers


General’s Bodyguards


Units Unaffected By Reforms

Infantry

Eastern Infantry


Missiles

Archers


Peltasts


Note: the unit names used above are for simplified illustrative purposes only, and may be completely different in the next release.

Furthermore, none of the artwork featured in this preview was completed by myself. It is the featured artwork of several members of the TW community who have generously permitted me to use it in this modification.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

Hmm, I could just make Town Watch recruitable for the Roman factions after the Marian Reforms have occurred. This way, they could recruit Hastati @ Barracks, Princepes @ Militia Barracks and Triarii @ City Barracks. This may make the Romans overpowered though, unless the Triarii were made available from the City Barracks at the same time as Principes.

Which recruitment method do you think would work best?

i think thats good! actually in many mods triarri can be recruited earlier in dosent make the romans any stronger. (actually its the games harder because everone has two hitpoints. a unit of a millitia hoplite and two peasents beat my two millitia hoplites)

[The Spartan (Returns)]

btw very good your learning to script!!! perhaps one day your scripting will be great, and rtg can have historical battles in campaign and have supplies! (like EB and RTR)

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

I haven't done much research (apart from the faction switch script) into scripting tbh. It does take time to learn new areas, and if I stop working on the mod to learn more areas, it'll just put the release date further and further back. Fair enough if there was a team working on a project, such as in EB / RTR as you say, then each team member could specialise and concentrate on specific areas.

[Seasoned Alcoholic]

The Thracian Tribes

Pre-Marius (PM) Units

Infantry

Early Thracians


Early Hoplite Militia


Early Falxmen


Cavalry

Early Greek Cavalry


Early General’s Bodyguards


After-Marius (AM) Units

Infantry

Sword Hoplites


Falxmen


Bastarnae


Missiles

Ballistas


Onagers


Cavalry

Noble Cavalry


Imperial Cavalry


General’s Bodyguards


Units Unaffected By Reforms

Infantry

Thracian Officer Core


Phalanx Pikemen


Missiles

Peltasts


Cretan Archers


Archers


Cavalry

Militia Cavalry


Note: the unit names used above are for simplified illustrative purposes only, and may be completely different in the next release.

Furthermore, none of the artwork featured in this preview was completed by myself. It is the featured artwork of several members of the TW community who have generously permitted me to use it in this modification.