strongest infantry in game (spoilers perhaps?)

[Zafersan]

Spartans > all

To the above post, I also find Greek hoplites extremely usefull. I like the hoplite phalanx a lot better then the Makedonian pike phalanx. The pikemen just can't move around as well as hoplites can.

[Watchman]

I suspect a straight match-up of Spartiatoi vs. about any of the high-end falcata-waving assault infantry - Iberians, Samnites, Extraordinarii - would seriously cast doubts on that assessement...

The Classical Hoplites don't really strike me as too different from Thureophoroi though. The difference in armour level and attack skill is minimal and the Thureos have precursors to boot, so frankly all the Hoplitai could really have going for them is maybe a better morale and formation-density and mass-related issues. On the other hand, the Thureophoroi are good and affordable jack-of-all-trades workhorse infantry so the above can't really be viewed as much of a demerit for the Hoplitai either...

[Kralizec]

I suspect a straight match-up of Spartiatoi vs. about any of the high-end falcata-waving assault infantry - Iberians, Samnites, Extraordinarii - would seriously cast doubts on that assessement...

The Classical Hoplites don't really strike me as too different from Thureophoroi though. The difference in armour level and attack skill is minimal and the Thureos have precursors to boot, so frankly all the Hoplitai could really have going for them is maybe a better morale and formation-density and mass-related issues. On the other hand, the Thureophoroi are good and affordable jack-of-all-trades workhorse infantry so the above can't really be viewed as much of a demerit for the Hoplitai either...

Hoplitai have +1 morale compared to thureophoroi and more importantly, good stamina.

Since I'm using BI.exe I also gave the hoplitai shield_wall, wich is a bit of a double edged sword because you'll need to have quite a lot of them to make a long line. When you do however, they're very much worthwile.

[russia almighty]

Hoplitai also have bonus against cavalry .

[QwertyMIDX]

So do Thureophoroi.

[Watchman]

Most things with a spear do (or, at the least, they get less penalty than other troops of their "class" do, as is the case with many spear-carrying light skirmisher types).

[Kralizec]

So do Thureophoroi.

In the last two versions of EB, the thureophoroi (and mercenary version) have had a bonus against chariots and elephants, not cavalry or camels.
I figured this was an error so I changed the EDU.

[QwertyMIDX]

Yeah, if they don't its an error. They should get the same bonus as all overhand spear troops. +3 I think, but I might be wrong.

[mAIOR]

maybe the hoplites get less penalties than Tureuphoroi... After all, they fought in a closer formation than the Tureos...

Cheers...

[Watchman]

Overhand close-combat spear inf got +1 against cav as the norm, underhands +2 IIRC.

[NeoSpartan]

I think the differnece is mass really makes a difference. For example, Horses have a very tough time pushing them.

[Dumbass]

Alright, all those that think agraspidai thoratikai and Losotann and Godilic versions are the best, casse sword masters destroy them in battle. In a 1 on 1 battle, the sword masters killed all of them with 30 men left. It's the effective against armour that does the job. Also Hyspaspitai are pretty shit, Bactrian agema are very good.

[QwertyMIDX]

And that's what's good about EB, every unit has an effective counter. That's why you have to use combined arms tactics to be effective.

[mAIOR]

Yup. Those Sword Masters fall in shame under the naked fanatics heel. THe naked fanatics are great close commbat troops as AP weapons don't really bother them (hurra you manage to reduce my armor points in half! you took 3 points of armor...). Yet those fall to the Dosidataskeli and Argyraspidai Thorakitai. and they fall hard. They are routed and the Dosi still have nearly 80 on their own.

Cheers...

[quackingduck]

The strongest infantry in the game is not Gaesatae but the Lusotana Dosidataskeli (Vasci Armoured Shock Infantry), after that comes Seleukid Thorakitai Argyraspidai and Goidilic Uachtarach DuboGaiscaocha (Goidilic Armoured Shock Infantry).
They may not have the shock value of the Gaesatae charge or two hitpoints but in sheer staying power they are the best. The javelins they throw are all iron Solifera which can easily bring down the one hitpoint advantage of the Gaesatae, and they all have both enough armor and skill to withstand the charge meant to break them.

im playing as the Lusitanians and i dont know where to build the barracks to get Dosidataskeli (Vasci Armoured Shock Infantry). their description says they can only be trained in Cantabria-Vasconnia, but there isnt a province called Cantabria-Vasconnia. there is one called cantabria, but the barracks i built there doesn't look like its going anywhere(when i right click on the $6000 barracks there are no new units i can build).

Do you know where these guys can be trained?

[mAIOR]

Eastern part of the Peninsula. Highest level of MIC required.


Cheers...

[quackingduck]

Eastern part of the Peninsula. Highest level of MIC required.


Cheers...

can u give me an exact province name or city name please??

would be much appritiated

[deguerra]

ummm, im having trouble finding a lot of units in custom battle. i assume the custom battle factions havent been cleaned up for EB yet. where does one change the units available in custom battles/is there a fix for this?

cheers
-deguerra

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

The best infantry in the game is undoubtely the Cohors Imperatoria. They are cheap and will batter through the enemy elites like hot knife through butter. They are a wall, literally.

Except when facing these dreaded Samnitici... You'll need a Cohors Praetoria to beat them, but they're not cost effective as rank and file legionaries.

[NeoSpartan]

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Except when facing these dreaded Samnitici... You'll need a Cohors Praetoria to beat them, but they're not cost effective as rank and file legionaries.

says who????

say what???? I can deal with the Samniti ... hell I've seen them route when they only took 10 casualties (out of 80 men)

[NeoSpartan]

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Except when facing these dreaded Samnitici... You'll need a Cohors Praetoria to beat them, but they're not cost effective as rank and file legionaries.

says who????

I can deal with the Samniti ... hell I've seen them route when they only took 10 casualties (out of 80 men)

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

says who????

I can deal with the Samniti ... hell I've seen them route when they only took 10 casualties (out of 80 men)

Individually, Samniti are the toughest infantry on the game, except for the Praetorian Cohort. Of course, that doesn't include pike infantry and their special attack.

However, in a big battle, I wear them down with my hastati + my missile units, so they're an easy prey for the mass of fresh soldiers that strikes later. But a large number of them will be tough as hell to beat.

[raenor]

Just a question. For the Maks where can you recruit Taxeis Triballoi? (sp)

They're regionals I think but I havent found them yet.

Thanks

Rae.

[quackingduck]

so will vaski armoured shock infantry still be the strongest infatry in the game with the 1.0 patch? anyone know??

[Beefy187]

If you got one of the AP units you can easily rout the Samniti

Ill have to do some custom battling. See if Spartans are stronger then before

[gurakshun]

If you got one of the AP units you can easily rout the Samniti

Ill have to do some custom battling. See if Spartans are stronger then before

they are, they are far superior to their 0.8x versions, the epilektoi hoplitai and the spartans do ridiculously well on neitos, solduros, etc. (straight up beating them)...it seems in 0.8x the longsword users reigned supreme, and now with 1.x, the armoured shock infantry and the elite hoplites rule.