Why I hate Britain under Blair...

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

The amount of force that can be used against someone who's broken into your home depends on context more than anything else. If the invader is attempting to harm you or your family then yes, lethal force is justified. However, very few break-ins are committed by blood-hungry psychopaths who want to slaughter you in your bed.

The type of home invasion you're far more likely to encounter is one which has been purely motivated for a desire for your property. In this case, shooting the intruder on site simply to prevent him legging it with your consumer electronics is assinine, unless you believe we should institute the death penalty for burglary, and rightfully illegal.

A human life is worth far more than your TV.

[Strike For The South]

The man broke into my house Im shooting to kill. I dont know what he wants and I sure as hell aint gonna ask him. The man puts his life in your hands when he breaks your front door down.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Good point...

Let's just hope none of us have to think about this anytime in our lives...

[Soulforged]

The man broke into my house Im shooting to kill. I dont know what he wants and I sure as hell aint gonna ask him. The man puts his life in your hands when he breaks your front door down.

Then you're going to face trial my friend.

[Strike For The South]

Then you're going to face trial my friend.

not here I wont

[Soulforged]

not here I wont

Wait a second. You're telling me that in Texas I can shoot whoever I want who transpasses my property? That's just nuts even for Texas. Are you sure? Did you look into your legislation? That can't be possible.

[Strike For The South]

i beilive so. Let me find a link

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Unfortunetly Soulforged, SFTS is right...

I do believe what he said is correct...

[ShadesWolf]

Welcome Lentonius, nice to have you aboard.

I read an interesting article in the Mail yesterday, which kind of sums all this up.

Stunned builder dean Osmon was branded a racist by Jobcentre staff after he advertised for a carpenter who could speak English.

Mr Osmon needed his recruit to be able to talk directly with clients and follow complicated job briefings.

But after submitting his advert he was told by one jobcentre worker:' We cant say that, its racists.'

Mr Osmon was then sent a letter from the Jobcentre Plus diversity and race equality team warning that he might have broken the law. It read: ' You informed the contact centre that you were not willing to employ anyone who did not speak English. Where employers discriminate against job applicants on the basis of race, they may be in breach of the race relations act.

This is just another example of Bliars Britain, we have employed so many people in public sector jobs they are just falling overthemselves to find something to do.

[ShaiHulud]

Lentonius,

You asked, "Could Britain be any more of a shameful country than it is today?"

Of course it could! Britain is not Nazi Germany, or the USSR, or China. Britons have stood, at times, alone, against the greatest human-bred catastrophes in history. From reading your post it appears that some, like you, still would stand against genocide and mass murder, if those chosen to lead you were so inclined.

Your litany of worries pretty much boils down to one poignant failing that is prevalent in much of Europe (yes, I'm including GB in Europe); the inability, or refusal, to acknowledge that some systems, and some people, actually are more worthy, have a greater value to society, than others.

In this day and age it is difficult to find anyone who does not denounce Nazi Germany, for instance. Curiously, many of those most keen in their vilification of Nazis willfully ignore the far greater enormity of human destruction wrought by Communism. In comparison to Stalin and Mao, Hitler was a amateur, yet, the system that produced the most prolific system of murder in history (communism) is found being taught in universities while Nazism (we hope) has been put down with finality. Would it be ungenerous of me to point out that both are/were socialist systems? Well, let's just say that both systems had a propensity for shipping their opponents off to camps where they could die, or be worked to death, you know, for failing to understand the nature of their great human experiments.

That was a gross example of inability to exercise discrimination between a system that is flawed (say, capitalism) and a system that is fatally flawed (communism). Is Socialism, also, fatally flawed? Well, if demographics is the canary in the mine, the answer is yes. Every European nation that is heavily invested in Socialism is represented by a dwindling population. The lights are going out in Europe. When so many nations decide, concurrently, to stop breeding one may rightly ask what common factors they share. Socialism jumps right out at you. Yet, maybe that's not the factor, or, at least, not a sole factor.

Perhaps it is the, also, common factor that Europeans have been inculcated with the belief that their civilization is not worthy of extension. Why should Lentonius, born in Britain, hold himself better than those so 'unfortunate, as to have been born elsewhere. Frankly, because his civilization IS better.

People in other parts of the world didn't just pop up yesterday, thousands of years behind in socialization, industry, and technology. Lentonius' culture is the heir to thousands of years of cultural experimentation and, deservedly, has earned the benefits and privileges his culture and civilization have created. Those who berate him for desiring to maintain those benefits live under the delusion that the simple ability to breed entitles one to have others provide for one's needs. I'm reminded of a news report from Haiti in which a man asked how, with no jobs to be had in Haiti, he was to provide for his THIRTEEN children. Doubtless, someone (perhaps Lentonius) IS paying to feed that man's children, just no one in Haiti.

Think Haiti is a poor example? Ok, pick one of your own. Anything in Africa? Africa is, supposedly, the birthplace of humanity. If so, who has had the longer period to develop a viable civilization? Asia? There are numerous cultures in Asia with written histories that extend beyond Stonehenge. Why didn't they lead the rest of the world into the industrial revolution, or any other advanced age?

The fact is that Europe, and Europeans, have created the most viable and advanced cultures while the rest of the world kept repeating the same mistakes, over and over again. Indeed, in the face of Europe's successes, most of the rest of the world STILL keeps making the same mistakes over and again. Practically speaking, most of the world is about a thousand years behind Europeans in socialization, the ability to work together for common purpose, the ability to respect one's neighbor's rights and property, etc. That's a cultural trait, learned over long periods of time, eons. You know, INCULCATED in a people.

Now you have people trying to reverse engineer their society not based upon any actual, working, example, but, from their dream of what a 'good' society should be. Yeah, another great human experiment. Unfortunately, the same folks who brought the last failed 'great experiments' have pushed themselves to the fore in THIS great experiment. That would be socialists.

Sure, the last ones were enormous failures and wracked mankind, BUT, those were abberations. THIS time, they'll do it better.

Yes, grannies get arrested for using a hatpin to defend themselves from muggers, but, so what? Muggers have a right to live, too, don't they? And shopkeepers may get fined for selling a banana that's curved, and old fridges get piled up into mountains due to little quirks in environmental regulations, and so on, and so on. But, hey, every system has it's flaws and that's to be expected. EXCEPT the OLD systems. Those are inexcusable and demonstrably
unfair to mankind and, thus, not worthy of respect or extension. Got that?

Only the dream society is worth keeping (tho it doesn't actually exist yet). Defend your own and you're a racist or a nazi or, maybe, a hood-wearing member of the KKK. You're uncaring or selfish because that which YOUR society has created isn't generally shared.

You have my sympathy, Lentonius, because I don't think Britain or Europe can now save themselves. It has been said that civilizations are not overcome from without, they commit suicide. I think Europe and Britain are destined to follow the path of the USSR. Eventually you all WILL be forced together. Those votes in France and the Netherlands won't stop this evolution. I don't say this. Your own politicians do. They have no intention of letting a minor hindrance like VOTERS stop them from achieving their goal. And, because your vote is virtually worthless anymore, you won't get the opportunity to stop them, either. And, once they've achieved their aims, like any good socialist tyranny, opposition will then find itself in some camp, somewhere, working for the benefit of 'the people', as though camp admission deprived you of that appellation. Your children won't need to read '1984', they'll be living it.

Don't let it get you down, though. Barring any great cataclysm, that great experiment will, eventually, fail and fall, too. Of course, the new repositories of wisdom and technology probably won't be in Europe. It won't be as when Rome fell and all that was lost was regained only after painful centuries in the Dark Ages. No, it's more likely that from Asia will flow the next Enlightenment. The tired old populations of Europe are now frenetically wasting themselves and will never recover their old glories. Like Mesopotamia and Egypt, the peoples of Europe will be a history lesson on ancient empires.

Now, let me get back to my coffee..... Have a nice day!

[Crazed Rabbit]

In this case, shooting the intruder on site simply to prevent him legging it with your consumer electronics is assinine, unless you believe we should institute the death penalty for burglary, and rightfully illegal.

A human life is worth far more than your TV.

Such thinking, that criminals are entitled to protection from homeowners, is absurd. Your argument that shooting a person forcing entry into your home is the same as execution after the criminal has left, then caught and is in the hands of the police is flawed. Criminals have no right to break and enter. Once they cross that line, no level of force should be considered to high. To gamble one's life and the lives of your families on the whim of a criminal is foolish. Acceptance of criminal entry and dominion over your house is morally wrong and the philosophy of slaves and subjects.

Would you accept another country invading your own, stealing all your wealth, and not resist if they said they weren't going to kill your fellow citizens?

Luckily, its legal to defend yourself in the USA. In Colorado, for example, a man was found not guilty of murder for shooting a man who had attacked him but had left his house and was sitting in his car.

http://www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1313093&secid=1

On Sept. 5, 2004, Hill got into a fight with Knott’s girlfriend, Amanda Padilla, over a missing purse during a party at his house in the 500 block of Potter Circle. Padilla admitted punching Hill before he got a rifle and ordered Padilla and her friend Alessandra Ash out of the house.

The women returned with Knott and Ash’s boyfriend, Anthony Padilla. The four went to Hill’s basement room, where he was asleep, and Amanda Padilla admitting punching him again. She also admitted using brass knuckles, opening a gash in Hill’s head.

Amanda Padilla, who received limited immunity in exchange for her testimony, faces a charge of second-degree assault with a deadly weapon. Anthony Padilla faces a conspiracy charge after he allegedly gave Amanda Padilla the brass knuckles.

When they left Hill’s house, Hill got a rifle, loaded it and fired once from the porch at the car Knott was sitting in. Knott crashed the car into a house and died of a gunshot wound to the back.

The foreman said those facts fit the Make My Day defense.

Crazed Rabbit

[Strike For The South]

the

make my day defense

great name

[Crazed Rabbit]

I love my state

I love the USA.

Crazed Rabbit