Why I hate Britain under Blair...

[Strike For The South]

i beilive so. Let me find a link

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Unfortunetly Soulforged, SFTS is right...

I do believe what he said is correct...

[Strike For The South]

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/txcon...00-002300.html

Section 23 - RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.

here it is in action http://blisteringcheese.com/index.ph...omments/11228/

God bless Texas.


Dallas police say a would-be robber is dead after being shot by a store clerk.

Investigators told NBC 5 that the shooting occurred at a Shell station at Interstate 30 and Winslow Road.

The robber was trying to steal two 20-packs of beer when he was shot while trying to get away, police said.

The robber, whose name has not been released, was transported to Baylor Medical Center, where he later died.

I love my state

[Crazed Rabbit]

In this case, shooting the intruder on site simply to prevent him legging it with your consumer electronics is assinine, unless you believe we should institute the death penalty for burglary, and rightfully illegal.

A human life is worth far more than your TV.

Such thinking, that criminals are entitled to protection from homeowners, is absurd. Your argument that shooting a person forcing entry into your home is the same as execution after the criminal has left, then caught and is in the hands of the police is flawed. Criminals have no right to break and enter. Once they cross that line, no level of force should be considered to high. To gamble one's life and the lives of your families on the whim of a criminal is foolish. Acceptance of criminal entry and dominion over your house is morally wrong and the philosophy of slaves and subjects.

Would you accept another country invading your own, stealing all your wealth, and not resist if they said they weren't going to kill your fellow citizens?

Luckily, its legal to defend yourself in the USA. In Colorado, for example, a man was found not guilty of murder for shooting a man who had attacked him but had left his house and was sitting in his car.

http://www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1313093&secid=1

On Sept. 5, 2004, Hill got into a fight with Knott’s girlfriend, Amanda Padilla, over a missing purse during a party at his house in the 500 block of Potter Circle. Padilla admitted punching Hill before he got a rifle and ordered Padilla and her friend Alessandra Ash out of the house.

The women returned with Knott and Ash’s boyfriend, Anthony Padilla. The four went to Hill’s basement room, where he was asleep, and Amanda Padilla admitting punching him again. She also admitted using brass knuckles, opening a gash in Hill’s head.

Amanda Padilla, who received limited immunity in exchange for her testimony, faces a charge of second-degree assault with a deadly weapon. Anthony Padilla faces a conspiracy charge after he allegedly gave Amanda Padilla the brass knuckles.

When they left Hill’s house, Hill got a rifle, loaded it and fired once from the porch at the car Knott was sitting in. Knott crashed the car into a house and died of a gunshot wound to the back.

The foreman said those facts fit the Make My Day defense.

Crazed Rabbit

[Strike For The South]

the

make my day defense

great name

[Crazed Rabbit]

I love my state

I love the USA.

Crazed Rabbit

[Strike For The South]

I love the USA.

Crazed Rabbit

No TEXAS IS GODS COUNTRY

[Kaiser of Arabia]

No TEXAS IS GODS COUNTRY

Texas dont have Make My Day.

[Strike For The South]

Texas dont have Make My Day.

Its already implied we dont need a catchy its understood

[Soulforged]

I love my state

I'm not trying to offend you, and I think you're reasonable enough to undertand the following.
First try to keep your passion out of your reason.
Second. As you see the court ruling shows that there's some motive for shooting. It's not simple domiciliary violation, the subject has to enter in an state of guilt before the shooting is justified. This is acceptable within certain boundaries. If the thing you're protecting is of too little value, for example an empty can of beer, then the shooting shouldn't be justified. But if you're protecting your only car and you can't buy another one then the shooting is justified.
But my friend I hope I don't see the day in wich, just by transpasing another's domiciliary dominium I could be shoot and he get away unpunished.

Would you accept another country invading your own, stealing all your wealth, and not resist if they said they weren't going to kill your fellow citizens?

Do you see how the irony works.

[Strike For The South]

But my friend I hope I don't see the day in wich, just by transpasing another's domiciliary dominium I could be shoot and he get away unpunished.

well you can do that provided the propertys marked no tresspasing

[Soulforged]

well you can do that provided the propertys marked no tresspasing

But it isn't as unchecked as you wanted it to be Strike, did you read my little excerpt above?

[IrishMike]

What the man was after when he breaks in isn't really considered in cases. Its the fact that he violated your property. So if he was after a can of beer or not, if you feel threatened you can shoot to kill. And usual the jury will side with the man who was violated.

[Lentonius]

To the socialist student...

Read that in the Daily Mail? Or do you not even read that crap, you hear it from your friends in the playground? We are not even the biggest receiver of immigrants in the EU. No other country tolerate it? What bollocks, every country accepts immigrants because it is in their own best interest.

No, I read the times actually, which is a good paper. Illegal immigrants DO help in some ways, but if they are offered £540 per month AND a free council house, somebody has to pay. Im not blaming these people, its just that the benefits system has been used in the wrong way. Nowadays, people who dont really need the help can get benefit. For instance, in the USA, there are people to STOP illegal immigrants from mexico and cuba. Each year, over 400000 mexicans are stopped and sent back to mexico.

WE ARE AN ISLAND, YET OVER 1/2 A MILLION ILLEGALQuote:
We have one of the worst hospital rates in Europe, and we are the 4th wealthiest country in the world..

Blame that on Thatcher - who you seemingly think is a demi God - she is the one who stripped back investment and ran our NHS down. I think you should look at the figures since Labour have been in power on results from our hospitals, you might shut up spouting such bollocks.

MY ANSWER TO THIS. MARGARET THATCHER JUST DIDNT TAKE ANY BOLLOCKS. THE WORLD'S ECONOMY WAS IN SHAMBLES BACK THEN IF I REMEMBER.
6 MONTHS WAITING LIST ON THE NHS.
ALSO, HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU. WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE JOINING PRIVATE MEDICAL?


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political correctness gone mad...
A country where any flag can be flown except the union Jack

A country where to fly a flag in a racist manner is looked on as wrong - and I am proud of that. You may want a nation where to be racist is great, I don't. Flying our country's flag is never looked on as wrong or anything similar, but when it is hijacked and used as a racist tool, it is looked down on. I am quite glad we don't accept it.

I AGREE WHEN IT COULD BE USED AS RACISM, BUT IF OUR FLAG WAS THE SWASTICA THEN I COULD UNDERSTAND IT. ABOUT POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, CHRISTMAS LIGHTS WERE BANNED IN LOWESTOFT BECAUSE THE COUNCIL DIDNT SEE THAT 'IT FITS IN WITH MORALS OF EQUALITY AND DIVERSITY'

I AM NOT CHRISTIAN BUT OUR COUNTRY SHOULD KEEP AT LEAST SOME TRADITIONS, DONT YOU THINK. MOST PEOPLE OF OTHER CULTURES CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS, NOT IN A RELIGIOS WAY, BUT JUST CELEBRATING THE HOLIDAYS.

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And a land where if you are burgaled and defend yourself YOU are likely to be getting a jail sentence....

Maybe I am being incredibly old fashioned, but I don't think the idea of everyone taking justice into their own hands and killing, shooting, beating others on their own choosing is a good basis for justice in this country. It is quite right that if someone kills an intruder in their home they are prosecuted, I would not expect a burglar who kills an innocent to be let free, nor would I expect the same to be done for someone who shoots two teenager burglars in the back while they are running away.

YES. PEOPLE SHOULD BE PROSECUTED, BUT THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS THAT IF SOMEBODY INVADES YOUR HOME PLANNING TO STEAL YOUR HARD EARNED POSSESIONS MOST NORMAL PEOPLE WOULD BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF THEM.

I DO NOT THINK THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH USING 'REASONABLE' FORCE TO GET BURGALARS OUT. UNNESSACERY FORCE CANNOT BE TOLLERATED, BUT IT IS STILL ULTIMATELY THE INTRUDERS FAULT FOR INTRUDING.

There is nothing wrong with our country, there is however a problem with you.

I THINK I WILL MOVE TO A TEXAS. TEXAS LOOKS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE NANNY STATE...

AS FOR BRITAIN, START PRAYING IF GORDON BROWN TAKES OVER


P.S, I DONT TAKE FIGURES FROM THE DAILY MAIL. THESE FIGURES ARE ALL FROM OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT WEBSITES

[InsaneApache]

It's fine to spout on about equality and suchlike when you don't have to pay for it.

So you met JAG then Lentonius. He likes to pay for things with our money. Then again he thinks that the government has money of it's own. Still when he gets a job and starts to pay taxes he'll probably think again.

PS: Please don't shout mate, I've got one hell of a hangover

[Kralizec]

For house burglary, I'd say you should only have the "right" to kill if you feel threatened. If you encounter a 14 year old kid in your house trying to steal your DVD and comes at you while you don't know what he's carrying, shoot the lil' bastard. However, if he puts down your DVD, puts his arms in the air and stands a comfortable 3 metres away from you, you can't justifiably shoot him. Not just my opinion, but also the way it works over here.

[ShadesWolf]

Welcome Lentonius, nice to have you aboard.

I read an interesting article in the Mail yesterday, which kind of sums all this up.

Stunned builder dean Osmon was branded a racist by Jobcentre staff after he advertised for a carpenter who could speak English.

Mr Osmon needed his recruit to be able to talk directly with clients and follow complicated job briefings.

But after submitting his advert he was told by one jobcentre worker:' We cant say that, its racists.'

Mr Osmon was then sent a letter from the Jobcentre Plus diversity and race equality team warning that he might have broken the law. It read: ' You informed the contact centre that you were not willing to employ anyone who did not speak English. Where employers discriminate against job applicants on the basis of race, they may be in breach of the race relations act.

This is just another example of Bliars Britain, we have employed so many people in public sector jobs they are just falling overthemselves to find something to do.

[Tribesman]

No, I read the times actually, which is a good paper.
The Times actually ...You mean the Sun with big words .

[InsaneApache]

No, I read the times actually, which is a good paper.
The Times actually ...You mean the Sun with big words .

Well if Matthew Parris, Bronwen Maddox and Anatole Kaletsky wrote articles for the Sun then a) not only would the circulation drop but b) I would start to buy it.

Still it could be worse, he could have bought and read Socialist Worker just to get the 'right' information.

[Tribesman]

Still it could be worse, he could have bought and read Socialist Worker just to get the 'right' information.
No , Vanguard has the "right" information , Socialist Worker has the "left" , read both for balance

[InsaneApache]

Still it could be worse, he could have bought and read Socialist Worker just to get the 'right' information.
No , Vanguard has the "right" information , Socialist Worker has the "left" , read both for balance

ha ha ha very good, such sophistry taking advantage of a poorly (that's hungover) man.

[ah_dut]

Lentonius calm down a bit...or just switch off the capslock...it's not comfortable reading for my eyes

Ok, onto the actual debate

A country where to fly a flag in a racist manner is looked on as wrong - and I am proud of that. You may want a nation where to be racist is great, I don't. Flying our country's flag is never looked on as wrong or anything similar, but when it is hijacked and used as a racist tool, it is looked down on. I am quite glad we don't accept it.

Yes, I agree with you. It's just that sometimes people get done for putting up the flag...when it's not used in a racist manner. A similar deal with nativity scenes which are apparantly offensive to (some) muslims

Blame that on Thatcher - who you seemingly think is a demi God - she is the one who stripped back investment and ran our NHS down. I think you should look at the figures since Labour have been in power on results from our hospitals, you might shut up spouting such bollocks.

We also have record breaking numbers of administrators in hospitals Let's just say I'm all in favour of investment (I don't pay for it yet) but it has to go to the right places. At the moment I believe it doesn't. Most of my family works/has worked for the NHS (well the ones in England anyway)

Maybe I am being incredibly old fashioned, but I don't think the idea of everyone taking justice into their own hands and killing, shooting, beating others on their own choosing is a good basis for justice in this country. It is quite right that if someone kills an intruder in their home they are prosecuted, I would not expect a burglar who kills an innocent to be let free, nor would I expect the same to be done for someone who shoots two teenager burglars in the back while they are running away.

I know and accept we shouldn't really go round doing on the spot executions of burglars, that's positively idiotic. I also know and understand that the average burglar is hardly about to go round killing every living thing in the hosue with a flamethrower.

But put it this way, if your hosue gets burgled (sp?) do you just sit there and let him steal all your hard earned stuff? Even if you do phone the police etcetc and he gets prosecuted, you've lost money/stuff because some person has decided to steal it off you. I'm not saying shoot him with a taser then torture him with thumbscrews by any means but you get the picture. You have to look at it from both sides of the coin.

BTW: in this situation I'd probably go back to sleep because if I confronted the burglar I'd probably get knifed

[JAG]

Lent - I understand you are new here so you probably don't understand that pretty much most people here think that typing with caps lock on is rather rude.

I can't really respond to your rant, because I am not in the business of deciphering them, feel free to post again.

IA - of course the govt has money of it's own, if you live in a society which has taxes you have to accept that fact.

Shades - yet another Mail story eh? I don't think many people take much notice of the Mail and I am not one of them.

We also have record breaking numbers of administrators in hospitals

The current system was set up by... Yep it's Thatcher. She changed the structure of management in the NHS to what it is currently. Most of the problems with the NHS and society can be traced directly back to her.

[ShadesWolf]

We also have record breaking numbers of administrators in hospitals

The current system was set up by... Yep it's Thatcher. She changed the structure of management in the NHS to what it is currently. Most of the problems with the NHS and society can be traced directly back to her.

When did we start talking about the NHS? Am I going mad

yet another Mail story eh? I don't think many people take much notice of the Mail and I am not one of them.

Yep people dont like the truth, it goes against the Labour spin machine. I thought the mail had the second largest readership figures behind the sun

More people read the 'Daily Record' than the 'Guardian', what does that tell you about peoples interpretation about its contents. Only the Independant, FT and Racing post have less readers

[BDC]

I'm quite happy with Britain's gun laws. I'd rather the guy who wants to mug me just punches me and runs off rather than shooting me then running off.

Anyway just be so tempting next time you see a group of idiots in pyjamas outside McDonalds.

[Red Peasant]

You're wasting your breath JAG, the org is gun-nut country, all KKK and flag masturbators.

Anyway, I think taxes should be a lot higher, like in those nice, well-run Nordic countries.

[Lentonius]

i agree with the liverpool guy.

We also need to learn spend the taxes on the right things before bumping them up higher

[JAG]

You're wasting your breath JAG, the org is gun-nut country, all KKK and flag masturbators.

Anyway, I think taxes should be a lot higher, like in those nice, well-run Nordic countries.

You are of course right, but you have to entertain them from time to time. ;)

[ah_dut]

As far as I understand (and I'm hardly a gun nut, KKK fan or nationalist) the record increase in admins (everywhere though especially in hospitals) was under labour.

And the reason I bring up the NHS is it seems to have changed dramatically under Blair...whether it's because I was unaware of these structural faults at the age of 7 I don't know but you get the picture

[Crazed Rabbit]

You're wasting your breath JAG, the org is gun-nut country, all KKK and flag masturbators.

Anyway, I think taxes should be a lot higher, like in those nice, well-run Nordic countries.

When ya can't beat them, launch personal attacks, huh?

And I seem to recall that some scandinavian countries have a little immigrant problem too.

I'm quite happy with Britain's gun laws. I'd rather the guy who wants to mug me just punches me and runs off rather than shooting me then running off.

What a pathetic attitude. Do you think a mugger, who is already breaking the law, would be stopped by mere laws if he wanted a gun?

In fact, resisting getting mugged with a firearm results in the lowest occurrence of injury, in the USA.

IA - of course the govt has money of it's own, if you live in a society which has taxes you have to accept that fact.

You don't seem to realize that all the money the government spends has to come from its citizens, or, in this case, its subjects.

I also watched a old episode of Flash Gordon recently, about 'Akim the Terrible', a villain who rules a planet of lawlessness, and where men who try to protect and defend old people getting robbed are thrown in prison. Sounds rather like modern Britain, doesn't it?

Crazed Rabbit