Why I hate Britain under Blair...

**BDC** · 01-02-2006, 17:14

I'm quite happy with Britain's gun laws. I'd rather the guy who wants to mug me just punches me and runs off rather than shooting me then running off.

Anyway just be so tempting next time you see a group of idiots in pyjamas outside McDonalds.

**Red Peasant** · 01-02-2006, 19:21

You're wasting your breath JAG, the org is gun-nut country, all KKK and flag masturbators.

Anyway, I think taxes should be a lot higher, like in those nice, well-run Nordic countries.

**Lentonius** · 01-02-2006, 19:31

i agree with the liverpool guy.

We also need to learn spend the taxes on the right things before bumping them up higher

**JAG** · 01-02-2006, 19:47

Originally Posted by Red Peasant

You're wasting your breath JAG, the org is gun-nut country, all KKK and flag masturbators.

Anyway, I think taxes should be a lot higher, like in those nice, well-run Nordic countries.

You are of course right, but you have to entertain them from time to time. ;)

**ah_dut** · 01-02-2006, 20:10

As far as I understand (and I'm hardly a gun nut, KKK fan or nationalist) the record increase in admins (everywhere though especially in hospitals) was under labour.

And the reason I bring up the NHS is it seems to have changed dramatically under Blair...whether it's because I was unaware of these structural faults at the age of 7 I don't know but you get the picture

**Mongoose** · 01-02-2006, 21:02

Originally Posted by JAG

You are of course right, but you have to entertain them from time to time. ;)

How was that different from a conservative saying "Oh, yeah?! well...uhhh....uhhhh....you're a COMMIE!" in the middle of a debate? (Refering to the post that was quoted)

**Brenus** · 01-02-2006, 22:26

“A similar deal with nativity scenes which are apparantly offensive to (some) muslims” Why?

“WE ARE AN ISLAND, YET OVER 1/2 A MILLION ILLEGAL”: How do you count illegal whatsoever? Immigrants, burglars, criminals? These kinds of figures are non-sense… It is like the secret meetings in unknown place to speak of possible topics. When you know so little, just shut-up…

Now, I am not English, I live in England. And yes, sometimes things are going mad, like 50 P price raise on a £1 tram ticket in two years. And yes politically correctness became too much.
I was watching the 100 years anniversary of the Separation between state and Churches in France. And what was said by the Representatives in 1905 should be prosecuted in England nowadays because it would an offence against Religions. One extreme-left representative (Radical) said Religions are superstitions, defying logic and science. What? Can’t say that today. It is hurting sensibilities…

To come back to the Xmas things, it is stupid. For me, all religions a fairy tales, so let’s cancelled Ramadan, Yom Kippur and all these teachings of non-sense like the guy who allegedly walked on water, the all of them to whom God spoke to etc… But no. Because yes, this is a part of traditions. Father Xmas doesn’t exist but we still celebrate him.

The Flag story is the same kind of things. Why should I be offended because English waves an English flag … Actually, I live in England. Now, he can wave a English flag in France, I don’t bother either. He is English. Now, the offence would be if he burns a French Flag in France (except if it is during a demonstration against the EU Agriculture funds, nuclear power plants and missile or others highly political debate).

For the Sun newspaper and its anti-French stand, I find it funny. First because the chanter of Englishness is owned by an American, second because it puts my British colleague uneasy when I see the titles. This English obsession about the French is incredible…
And about the people put in jail because they killed a burglar, can I remind you that an innocent man was killed by mistake by the police not so long ago. Thing about it, think what the poor police-officer must feel now… And I am not joking. Because I remember a debate in French TV: a guy, pharmacist, killed a burglar. Of course, he acquitted by the Jury. But I always remember what he said to the guy for guns and immediate death penalty: I killed somebody. I can’t believe I killed somebody. I terminate a human life; I saw the blood, the guts all over. I can’t sleep anymore…
So, even when a man is right, it is a little bit more complicated.

Well, perhaps not in Texas.

**Big King Sanctaphrax** · 01-02-2006, 22:57

Would you accept another country invading your own, stealing all your wealth, and not resist if they said they weren't going to kill your fellow citizens?

Luckily, its legal to defend yourself in the USA. In Colorado, for example, a man was found not guilty of murder for shooting a man who had attacked him but had left his house and was sitting in his car.

Your analogy is flawed-this kind of thing would provoke a serious economic crisis, which wouldl likely result in the deaths of citizens of the pillaged nation. Having your TV nicked isn't quite in the same league.

In the example you gave, I would sympathise if the fellow had taken such lethal action while he was being assaulted. However, it disturbs me that you believe it proper for the perpetrator to be shot as he attempted to flee, when he was clearly no longer a threat to anyone.

**BDC** · 01-03-2006, 00:00

“A similar deal with nativity scenes which are apparantly offensive to (some) muslims” Why?

Because some people are idiots. I suspect it was the people behind the decision to not show them in this case.

Otherwise I find the wearing of clothes by pretty looking women aged 18-25 offensive.

**Crazed Rabbit** · 01-02-2006, 20:44

Originally Posted by Red Peasant

You're wasting your breath JAG, the org is gun-nut country, all KKK and flag masturbators.

Anyway, I think taxes should be a lot higher, like in those nice, well-run Nordic countries.

When ya can't beat them, launch personal attacks, huh?

And I seem to recall that some scandinavian countries have a little immigrant problem too.

I'm quite happy with Britain's gun laws. I'd rather the guy who wants to mug me just punches me and runs off rather than shooting me then running off.

What a pathetic attitude. Do you think a mugger, who is already breaking the law, would be stopped by mere laws if he wanted a gun?

In fact, resisting getting mugged with a firearm results in the lowest occurrence of injury, in the USA.

IA - of course the govt has money of it's own, if you live in a society which has taxes you have to accept that fact.

You don't seem to realize that all the money the government spends has to come from its citizens, or, in this case, its subjects.

I also watched a old episode of Flash Gordon recently, about 'Akim the Terrible', a villain who rules a planet of lawlessness, and where men who try to protect and defend old people getting robbed are thrown in prison. Sounds rather like modern Britain, doesn't it?

Crazed Rabbit

**Red Peasant** · 01-03-2006, 16:37

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

When ya can't beat them, launch personal attacks, huh?

And I seem to recall that some scandinavian countries have a little immigrant problem too.

What a pathetic attitude. Do you think a mugger, who is already breaking the law, would be stopped by mere laws if he wanted a gun?

In fact, resisting getting mugged with a firearm results in the lowest occurrence of injury, in the USA.

You don't seem to realize that all the money the government spends has to come from its citizens, or, in this case, its subjects.

I also watched a old episode of Flash Gordon recently, about 'Akim the Terrible', a villain who rules a planet of lawlessness, and where men who try to protect and defend old people getting robbed are thrown in prison. Sounds rather like modern Britain, doesn't it?

Crazed Rabbit

Who are you? You obviously see a reflection of yourself in what I said, so if the insult fits, then wear it ;-)

As for this black picture of Britain that is being painted in this thread, well, I live in Liverpool which, according to common received opinion (fostered by bad TV programmes and even worse newspapers), is a baaaad violent place where nobody wants to live, but that is total rubbish. In my 41 years I have never witnessed any serious violence or been the victim of violence. However, surely I must have, I was born and lived for many years in a district with one of the worst 'reputations', a diverse ethnic mix and a constant supply of new immigrants (inc. many 'asylum seekers'). I never feel threatened and I hear of very little violence. I just don't see this near total collapse of British society that all these nutters rave on about. Britain is a great place to live, always has been, and hopefully always will be. (I would like to add that a black teenager was recently murdered in this city because of the colour of his skin but this was, however tragic, a very rare exception, as can be ascertained by the attention it received).

I can add that I have never felt the need to carry or own a gun, nor never will do.