Why I hate Britain under Blair...

**King Ragnar** · 01-04-2006, 23:38

Originally Posted by Lentonius

MY BEST FRIENDS ARE IMMIGRANTS, AND THEY DESERVE TO LIVE HERE AS MUCH AS YOU NOR I!!!

Oh my god, i think i am gona be sick, you think that somebaody not born in this country has the just as much right to live here as me?

I aint got no problems with immigrants who are gona work and have the skills the country requires, but ones that dont work and leech of the good honest british people make me sick.

I thought me and you were the same Lentonius, but it seems we are clearly not lol

**Tribesman** · 01-05-2006, 00:57

they may have taken over London, but they will never take Newcastle!!!
Hmmmm....Newcastle , isn't that the nice place where they were getting rid of houses for 50pence a few years ago , the only catch was that you had to agree to live in them .

**Ice** · 01-05-2006, 00:59

Originally Posted by Vladimir

Quick, somebody pull out their list of quotes from The Life of Brian! What did the Romans ever do for us anyway... Poor petty dictators, it's not their fault. They didn't want to ethnically cleanse their countries; the brit’s made them do it. I guess Hitler was Britain’s fault too.

For Israel being messed up, here is the opinion of at least one Arab.

http://intelligence-summit.blogspot....wish-land.html

Sorry, I can't seem to understand what exactly you are trying to say.

**Big King Sanctaphrax** · 01-05-2006, 01:20

Oh my god, i think i am gona be sick, you think that somebaody not born in this country has the just as much right to live here as me? I aint got no problems with immigrants who are gona work and have the skills the country requires, but ones that dont work and leech of the good honest british people make me sick.

I love the implication that the mere accident of being born in Britain makes you good, honest, and somehow better, whereas if you came here from abroad you are probably a 'lecher' (sic).

Real classy.

**ShaiHulud** · 01-05-2006, 08:17

Lentonius,

You asked, "Could Britain be any more of a shameful country than it is today?"

Of course it could! Britain is not Nazi Germany, or the USSR, or China. Britons have stood, at times, alone, against the greatest human-bred catastrophes in history. From reading your post it appears that some, like you, still would stand against genocide and mass murder, if those chosen to lead you were so inclined.

Your litany of worries pretty much boils down to one poignant failing that is prevalent in much of Europe (yes, I'm including GB in Europe); the inability, or refusal, to acknowledge that some systems, and some people, actually are more worthy, have a greater value to society, than others.

In this day and age it is difficult to find anyone who does not denounce Nazi Germany, for instance. Curiously, many of those most keen in their vilification of Nazis willfully ignore the far greater enormity of human destruction wrought by Communism. In comparison to Stalin and Mao, Hitler was a amateur, yet, the system that produced the most prolific system of murder in history (communism) is found being taught in universities while Nazism (we hope) has been put down with finality. Would it be ungenerous of me to point out that both are/were socialist systems? Well, let's just say that both systems had a propensity for shipping their opponents off to camps where they could die, or be worked to death, you know, for failing to understand the nature of their great human experiments.

That was a gross example of inability to exercise discrimination between a system that is flawed (say, capitalism) and a system that is fatally flawed (communism). Is Socialism, also, fatally flawed? Well, if demographics is the canary in the mine, the answer is yes. Every European nation that is heavily invested in Socialism is represented by a dwindling population. The lights are going out in Europe. When so many nations decide, concurrently, to stop breeding one may rightly ask what common factors they share. Socialism jumps right out at you. Yet, maybe that's not the factor, or, at least, not a sole factor.

Perhaps it is the, also, common factor that Europeans have been inculcated with the belief that their civilization is not worthy of extension. Why should Lentonius, born in Britain, hold himself better than those so 'unfortunate, as to have been born elsewhere. Frankly, because his civilization IS better.

People in other parts of the world didn't just pop up yesterday, thousands of years behind in socialization, industry, and technology. Lentonius' culture is the heir to thousands of years of cultural experimentation and, deservedly, has earned the benefits and privileges his culture and civilization have created. Those who berate him for desiring to maintain those benefits live under the delusion that the simple ability to breed entitles one to have others provide for one's needs. I'm reminded of a news report from Haiti in which a man asked how, with no jobs to be had in Haiti, he was to provide for his THIRTEEN children. Doubtless, someone (perhaps Lentonius) IS paying to feed that man's children, just no one in Haiti.

Think Haiti is a poor example? Ok, pick one of your own. Anything in Africa? Africa is, supposedly, the birthplace of humanity. If so, who has had the longer period to develop a viable civilization? Asia? There are numerous cultures in Asia with written histories that extend beyond Stonehenge. Why didn't they lead the rest of the world into the industrial revolution, or any other advanced age?

The fact is that Europe, and Europeans, have created the most viable and advanced cultures while the rest of the world kept repeating the same mistakes, over and over again. Indeed, in the face of Europe's successes, most of the rest of the world STILL keeps making the same mistakes over and again. Practically speaking, most of the world is about a thousand years behind Europeans in socialization, the ability to work together for common purpose, the ability to respect one's neighbor's rights and property, etc. That's a cultural trait, learned over long periods of time, eons. You know, INCULCATED in a people.

Now you have people trying to reverse engineer their society not based upon any actual, working, example, but, from their dream of what a 'good' society should be. Yeah, another great human experiment. Unfortunately, the same folks who brought the last failed 'great experiments' have pushed themselves to the fore in THIS great experiment. That would be socialists.

Sure, the last ones were enormous failures and wracked mankind, BUT, those were abberations. THIS time, they'll do it better.

Yes, grannies get arrested for using a hatpin to defend themselves from muggers, but, so what? Muggers have a right to live, too, don't they? And shopkeepers may get fined for selling a banana that's curved, and old fridges get piled up into mountains due to little quirks in environmental regulations, and so on, and so on. But, hey, every system has it's flaws and that's to be expected. EXCEPT the OLD systems. Those are inexcusable and demonstrably
unfair to mankind and, thus, not worthy of respect or extension. Got that?

Only the dream society is worth keeping (tho it doesn't actually exist yet). Defend your own and you're a racist or a nazi or, maybe, a hood-wearing member of the KKK. You're uncaring or selfish because that which YOUR society has created isn't generally shared.

You have my sympathy, Lentonius, because I don't think Britain or Europe can now save themselves. It has been said that civilizations are not overcome from without, they commit suicide. I think Europe and Britain are destined to follow the path of the USSR. Eventually you all WILL be forced together. Those votes in France and the Netherlands won't stop this evolution. I don't say this. Your own politicians do. They have no intention of letting a minor hindrance like VOTERS stop them from achieving their goal. And, because your vote is virtually worthless anymore, you won't get the opportunity to stop them, either. And, once they've achieved their aims, like any good socialist tyranny, opposition will then find itself in some camp, somewhere, working for the benefit of 'the people', as though camp admission deprived you of that appellation. Your children won't need to read '1984', they'll be living it.

Don't let it get you down, though. Barring any great cataclysm, that great experiment will, eventually, fail and fall, too. Of course, the new repositories of wisdom and technology probably won't be in Europe. It won't be as when Rome fell and all that was lost was regained only after painful centuries in the Dark Ages. No, it's more likely that from Asia will flow the next Enlightenment. The tired old populations of Europe are now frenetically wasting themselves and will never recover their old glories. Like Mesopotamia and Egypt, the peoples of Europe will be a history lesson on ancient empires.

Now, let me get back to my coffee..... Have a nice day!

**Lentonius** · 01-05-2006, 08:26

not to get into an armed debate but the british generally dont shoot their own men...

the british army is not bery big but very well trained.

No offence to the USA, but the reason my grandfather ended up in a Japanese 'torture' camp was because the americans shot him by 'accident' after they decided to hop into guam or wherever and shoot anyone or anything, even if they werent the enemy

thats why I generally say when speaking about the US army use the words 'powerful' rather than
'the best trained army in the world', because generally my family has some slight history with US forces, mainly not good memories..

**King Ragnar** · 01-05-2006, 12:05

Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax

I love the implication that the mere accident of being born in Britain makes you good, honest, and somehow better

How was it an accident? My british Grandmother gave birth to my british mother who gave birth to me. And so what if i do think im better, many people think there race is better than others.

**Big King Sanctaphrax** · 01-05-2006, 15:05

Yes, they're called racists. I'm not really sure where you're going with that...

Your birth may not have been an accident, but the fact that the person who was born is you was. You didn't have to do anything to become British, did you? You din't choose it.

**King Ragnar** · 01-05-2006, 16:27

Youre right i didnt have to do anything to be British, but i am British, therefore i dont think about being any other nationality.

They may be called racists, but it is perfectly legal to be racist, isnt it?

**Big King Sanctaphrax** · 01-05-2006, 16:58

Erm...yes. It's not generally regarded as a desirable attribute though...

**Vladimir** · 01-05-2006, 16:59

ShaiHulud's comment reminded me of this article I read today. I wouldn't want to sit through a lecture by this guy but he does nail the demographics issue.

http://intelligence-summit.blogspot....al-reason.html

**Scurvy** · 01-05-2006, 17:35

the problem i have is other ethnic groups that dont try to fit in, i dont want every immigrant to become "british" but the addition of new cultures is a good thing, seperate or isolationist immigrant communities arent quite so nice

**Soulforged** · 01-06-2006, 05:23

Originally Posted by ColdKnight

What the man was after when he breaks in isn't really considered in cases. Its the fact that he violated your property. So if he was after a can of beer or not, if you feel threatened you can shoot to kill. And usual the jury will side with the man who was violated.

As I said early, and excuse me if I didn't, if there's surprise then the guilt of the perpetrator plays against him. However it's a different thing to see a person transpassing your property quietly go to the other room take your M-16 and then shooting at the man, then, when reason a previsibility comes to play, you should apply the table of values. But it's not exactly unchecked, not in every occassion you can shoot somebody who enters your property without your permission.

**Vladimir** · 01-06-2006, 14:43

Originally Posted by Soulforged

As I said early, and excuse me if I didn't, if there's surprise then the guilt of the perpetrator plays against him. However it's a different thing to see a person transpassing your property quietly go to the other room take your M-16 and then shooting at the man, then, when reason a previsibility comes to play, you should apply the table of values. But it's not exactly unchecked, not in every occassion you can shoot somebody who enters your property without your permission.

You have an M-16? Cool, I prefer an MP-5 for home defense, and land mines [sic]. Illegal immigration is bad mostly because it's uncontrolled, therefore anybody running from the law can seek refuge in your country. Illegal immigration is bad for ethical aliens because their illegal status makes them vulnerable to intimidation from gangs like MS-13 in the US. Europe needs immigrants, it’s dying. Increasing the efficiency and number of legal ways people can come to your country is good for your country.