Yeah what kind of units would we be looking at for the Sabeans? Phalanx troops? Weak infantry strong cavalry or vice versa?
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Yeah what kind of units would we be looking at for the Sabeans? Phalanx troops? Weak infantry strong cavalry or vice versa?
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Mostly infantry both Urbanized Southern Arabia and Arabic tribal from the north, with some arabic tribal cav (light, also from the north) and probably a small amount of more heavily armored nobel cav from the city. The problem here was that in arabia most soliders play many roles. RTW doesn't handle that so well.Originally Posted by QwertyMIDX
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They did actually employ a good many Bedouin tribes in particular.did they use warriors from the bedouin and other nomadic groups though? like as mercs or tribute for living on "sabean" teritory?
Fortunately for us, an enormous percentage of Sabaean inscriptions deal with their military, which describe in specific detail tribal levies, levies of conquored subjects, citizen soldiers, citizen soldiers in Africa, elite royal soldiers, Bedouin cavalry, Bedouin mercenaries, general Arab mercenaries, and a variety of cavalry. Though books on the subject aren't well circulated, the Sabaean dialect is one of the best reconstructed dead languages of the South Semitic family.
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I think that it ought to be Numidia. Carthage always conquers all of North Africa really quickly. A Numidian faction might slow that down some. Sabaeans would be cool too.
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I think the Sabeans would also slow down Carthage by forcing Ptolemi to concentrate more on thier western borders to expand
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The choice of which alternative faction to add seems to me to depend on which factions people play- personally, I want more action and more detail in the part of the map I'm playing. I mostly play as the Romans or Greeks so I would probably be looking at Syracuse or a Balkan faction. If I was playing as the Sweboz, I might want to have a rival for control of a unified Germanic nation. To me, as long as any added faction can be supported from an historical point of view, it's a gameplay question not absolutely an historical accuracy question (I'll probably get tarred and feathered for suggesting that on this forum). So is the question to ask: What factions do most people choose for their campaigns? There may be a case for leaving out a more "historically significant" faction in place of a less important faction that would have a greater effect on a player. At the end of the day, this is still a game and should be played for enjoyment.
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Sabeans would prevent the crumbling seleucid empire from always ending becoming a small kingdom in the Arabian peninsula instead of being destroyed. But this would probably overpower Baktria. Maybe if seleucid eastern territories and Pahlava were powered up the removal of Yuezhi would be compensated without making Baktria too powerful... In any case Sabeans would IMO be a very interesting campaign and good for balance.
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The best thing about Sabeans is that they will surely have camels units, I miss these funny beasts in EB now...
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They'll probably have one; but like the Baktrians, their camels were largely geared towards transport, and traded for horses in combat.
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Yeah, but the ptolemies do too. It would be a good arguement for either Numidia or one of the southern Nile kingdoms.
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Best cavalry ever!
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Mouzafphaerre is known elsewhere as Urwendil/Urwendur/Kibilturg...
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Best cavalry ever!
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Phew. I was honestly hesitant to click that button. I have seen enough Gaesatae "units" in the past week to be afraid to go anywhere on this forum.
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I, too, was hesitant. I'm at work!
But it's ok, everybody!
My vote is for the Lugii!
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Lugii seem to be very mysterious, what was their political organisation, or the military units they could field ?
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My vote is for an Arabian faction. In my campaigns as Bactria, the Yuezi were nothing to worry about, in fact their territorries were less defended than those rebellous areas in India. Sabeans would fill the emptyness of Arabia and would be a cool faction to play.
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An Arabian or Indian faction would be cool, although I really have no objections towards the Yuezhi either.
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I think that an Indian faction would really stand out from the others because Buddhism is a very different world view than the western religions and I think that the Caste system would make for some interesting government and troop options.
In relation to the Yuehzi, I think the Eastern border of the map would also be less of an unrealistic boundary because the Indian factions did not suffer very much pressure from the Eastern front and we would not be ignoring the influence of other the Eastern factions like we must with the Yuezhi.
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Pergamon, make it an emergent faction so that if the Seleucids fail to keep it under control it will emerge as an independent faction. IIRC they were quite influential. If people want to play them the EB can provide a save game (if that's possible) or someone can make a small mod that starts a little later but with Pergamon as a playable faction.
Alternatively, a second Iberian faction.
That's my
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Any more Hellenistic factions and I'll blow up the world!
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I'll set the charges....
Any more Hellenistic factions and I'll blow up the world!
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I suggest the team scrap EB, and start a fresh, with a mod setting of the time and place of the Diadochi kingdoms with all the Hellenistic kingdoms included (Lysachimos, Antigonos, Cassander)...
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Actually, a mod about the Diadochi would be a lot of fun. Not worth scrapping EB for one though.
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What about the Bosphoran kingdom?
Greek colonists mixed with the autochtonous nomad peoples of Crimaia(Chersonesos).Greco-Sarmatians(Μιξοβάρβαροι)
Good selection of infantry fighting in the greek type of warfare mixed with the nomad sarmatian cavalry.
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It would...wonder why no one has started one yet...?
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I like the idea of the yuezhi but the Sabeans are VERY tempting.
The truth is, it would be better if EB could get them both in. I was counting the original factions versus the present ones and it seemed to me that RTW had one more faction than EB.
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It got started and got scrapped.
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Remember Ladies and Gentlemen, we have 2 faction slots. One of the slots being that of the soon to be replaced Yuezhi, and of course the other faction slot, #2, on the 1.5 - 1.6.
Sabeans are interesting, one of my opinions is that we could have a faction on the factionless belly, the very south of EB's map.
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What about the Bosphoran kingdom?
Greek colonists mixed with the autochtonous nomad peoples of Crimaia(Chersonesos).Greco-Sarmatians(Μιξοβάρβαροι)
Good selection of infantry fighting in the greek type of warfare mixed with the nomad sarmatian cavalry.
I was thinking about the Bosphorans, I will ask the team how they feel about that one. Bosphorans could improve the game-play for Armenians, Macedonia, Dacians, Sarmatians and the Pontus.
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Really? There was a Diadochi mod? And it stagnated?
Poop, ah well, EB is still EB
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Yeah. At TWC. I don't remember the name though. Meneldil (now EB member) worked on it. He could reply better than me...
Glad to hear...Poop
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I hear modding the Senate leads to bugs.
Oh, and also the Roman and Seleucid flags seem to be switched.
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