using hypaspistai

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 01-11-2006, 18:40

I forgot to explain this more to people.

For an apropriate classical phalanx spear shieldwall in EB with units that use classical phalanx (Baktrioi Agema, Hypaspistai, Solduros, Arveni Arjos, Rycalawre, Kuarothoroi, Heruskoz-Swaiut and Frameharjoz) you have to do 3 things:

1)Alt-attack to change weapons from swords to spears
2)Activate Guard Mode to make them hold formation
3)Activate Loose Formation button - it is makes (for only these units) a tighter formation that is ideal to use with spear and Guard Mode.

Sorry for not talking about this sooner but I forgot to make a guide for this...

**jerby** · 01-13-2006, 11:52

loos formation tightens them up? wouldn't it be easier to get that tight by default and let loose formation actually loosen them up?

still, thanks!

**zarkis** · 01-13-2006, 13:51

This info should be included in the unit descrition.

**QwertyMIDX** · 01-13-2006, 16:31

In order to make it easier they're already in the tighter formation when you start. Sorry Aymar, that was a change while you were away.

**BozosLiveHere** · 01-23-2006, 04:41

Originally Posted by QwertyMIDX

In order to make it easier they're already in the tighter formation when you start. Sorry Aymar, that was a change while you were away.

I was able to verify what Aymar posted with the Sweboz, and at least with me, pressing the loose formation button actually made the soldiers stay closer to each other. It happens with most german heavy infantry types, even general bodyguards, the exception being those chainmail armored guys that fight with axes (can't remember their name, sorry).

Frameharjoz got a lot more useful now that I know how to form a shield wall with them, the only bad thing is that sometimes they revert to the default looser formation when engaging.

**QwertyMIDX** · 01-23-2006, 07:33

Yeah, it seems that some units have been changed and others haven't. Yuck.

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 01-26-2006, 03:27

Originally Posted by BozosLiveHere

I was able to verify what Aymar posted with the Sweboz, and at least with me, pressing the loose formation button actually made the soldiers stay closer to each other. It happens with most german heavy infantry types, even general bodyguards, the exception being those chainmail armored guys that fight with axes (can't remember their name, sorry).

Frameharjoz got a lot more useful now that I know how to form a shield wall with them, the only bad thing is that sometimes they revert to the default looser formation when engaging.

Well, the port to 1.5 will allow us to use proper shieldwall. This is just an interem procedure.

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 01-26-2006, 03:26

Originally Posted by QwertyMIDX

In order to make it easier they're already in the tighter formation when you start. Sorry Aymar, that was a change while you were away.

GAH!! Now you tell me?

**QwertyMIDX** · 01-26-2006, 04:54

Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri

GAH!! Now you tell me?

It was obviously only half implemented. We'll have to fix that, one way or the other (doesn't matter to me).

We'd have to port to BI not just 1.5 to use the shieldwall I think.

**Aymar de Bois Mauri** · 01-26-2006, 14:40

Originally Posted by QwertyMIDX

It was obviously only half implemented. We'll have to fix that, one way or the other (doesn't matter to me).

We'd have to port to BI not just 1.5 to use the shieldwall I think.

We need to talk about this in MSN. I'll tell you what the current problem is with this situation.

**Ypoknons** · 01-14-2006, 16:07

Originally Posted by zarkis

This info should be included in the unit descrition.

Seconded. I understand you my have a philosophy towards unit descriptions and all, but not if it leaves people scratching their heads when EB becomes a general destribution mod.