Civil War Erupts!

**Monarch** · 12-31-2005, 17:49

Hey...

Basically I need some suggestions. Suggested people to ally myself with, certain cities to take, should I try and take out Scipii and Brutii first? Just tips and pointers please.

I am currently still in my first campaign. I thought that the Civil War would come much later on, however the Senate repeatedly demanded my faction leader comits suicide and the first time this shocked me, so to buy time I complied. However the demand was repeated the very next round and I couldn't say yes. Suddenly Senate, Brutii and Scipii are at war with me and the bulk of my armies are killing off the Spanish over on the Iberian peninsula. In addition my navy is miniscule, being Julii I didnt expect to need a navy but now that decision has proved costly, I cant transport troops without risking them being killed at sea and so I have to march them slowly across land.

Anyhow the Brutii and Scipii have an alliance and they've actually conquered most the people I had my alliances with (except the Seleucid Empire, who have their o0wn issues with Egypt) so it's me against two strong houses and I'm also at war with Spain and Scythia.

I own Rome by the way and the original Scipii province thats in modern day Italy.

Current world map....

**fallen851** · 01-01-2006, 09:16

Uhh, based on the map, looks like you got it covered. In my game I'm staving off a civil war because the Brutii family holds Greece, Macedonia, Thrace, Dacia, Sythia and half of Germany. They are the most powerful Roman faction, with me close behind.

I'd just focus on Italy and then work your way out.

**AntiochusIII** · 01-01-2006, 09:36

Yeah, from the looks of it you're on your way to total victory. All you have to do is concentrate on the Brutii in Southern Italy and the Balkans. Once they're down you can start exterminating the Scipii, who are much less of an immediate threat from the looks of it. Start from Sicily down through Africa.

Just make sure you hold on to your outpost in Carthage (and Lepcis Magna, if you could) as the later invasion of Africa will be easier. Indeed, if you want naval superiority (not necessary, as you can hop from Italy to Sicily in less than one turn, and the same for Sicily to Carthage, or Corduba to Tingi), you can use Carthage as a "repair dock" between your naval battles for your damaged fleets.

The ports of the Brutii, once acquired, will help you build your fleets if you don't have your own ports or fleets already.

Alliances in this game are...rather...useless. Stand on your own feet is the way to go.

**professorspatula** · 01-01-2006, 13:07

I can't see many problems for you there - the biggest threat will be your African provences. Forget about the Spanish conquests as well - their armies are useless against legionaries. A few units posted in a network of forts will see them off whilst you concentrate your forces elsewhere.

What version of the game was this campaign started/played on and the difficulty level? It's unusual to see Numidia and the Seleucids survive. Also in the latest version of RTW, the other Roman factions are very much more aggressive and I'm surprised they haven't got more territories each.

I'm guessing by this stage the AI Roman forces will tend to have lots of onagers and ballistae wasting space in their armies. A well balanced army will see them off without too much trouble.

**Garvanko** · 01-01-2006, 13:37

I'd kill of the Scipii first (especially in Thapsus and Caralis), and the Spanish if you like. Consolidate your grip on the West, and defend your borders in Italy and the East. By then you'd control your own waters and be able to ferry troops relatively safely from carthage, Caralis etc into Italy and then onward to Greece.

In Italy and Sicily, just katank! You should win easily, though regardless of strategy.

**Monarch** · 01-01-2006, 13:38

Originally Posted by professorspatula

I can't see many problems for you there - the biggest threat will be your African provences. Forget about the Spanish conquests as well - their armies are useless against legionaries. A few units posted in a network of forts will see them off whilst you concentrate your forces elsewhere.

What version of the game was this campaign started/played on and the difficulty level? It's unusual to see Numidia and the Seleucids survive. Also in the latest version of RTW, the other Roman factions are very much more aggressive and I'm surprised they haven't got more territories each.

I'm guessing by this stage the AI Roman forces will tend to have lots of onagers and ballistae wasting space in their armies. A well balanced army will see them off without too much trouble.

I'm playing easy

Yeah I've played a little more and since I'm on easy there's not been any blockades. One weird thing is the Gauls, I wiped them out in Europe but then they suddenly popped up in Asia, out of my reach.

I had an army in Spain so I finished them up and now hold the entire peninsula.

I now hold three African provinces and have a couple of stacks that should expand on that. The Scipii force there is not very big, and iv kicked them out of mainland italy. My plan concerning Scipii will probably be to hit them for six out of Africa (excuse the Monty quote) then all being well push forward into Sicily.

However my main concern is I barely have a full stack on my Brutii controlled Greek borders and they have 3+. They have taken Salona and sieged a neigbouring province, unsuccessfully though. So yeah, thanks for suggestions, I think I can wipe out scipii without losing to many troops. Brutii and there rich cities will be slightly more difficult though.

**AntiochusIII** · 01-02-2006, 08:06

Originally Posted by Sovereign

I'm playing easy

Com'on, don't laugh. I like easy when I want it, well...easy.

Originally Posted by Sovereign

Yeah I've played a little more and since I'm on easy there's not been any blockades. One weird thing is the Gauls, I wiped them out in Europe but then they suddenly popped up in Asia, out of my reach.

It's because there is a province called "Galatia" (the town is Ancyra) that is Gallic in culture. The history of Galatia is long and interesting; let's just say some Gauls went to conquer Thrace, got thrown out of it by Macedonian efforts, crossed into Asia Minor to put some sweat on the Seleucids, and settled down in Galatia in the middle of Asia Minor, becoming highly-valued mercenaries and respected foes for the kings of the East. They'd last until the Romans assimilated them much, much later.

Congratulations on having a living Seleucid Empire. A rare feat, even in easy, and even though I don't think you did anything to help them.

[In my last game, I was using the "give_trait"/"give_ancillary" console to turn Seleucid generals into 10-star, 10-acumen, 10-influence gods early in the game (I was playing Carthage) and they did survive the onslaught of basically everybody around them intact

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**Monarch** · 01-02-2006, 10:56

Originally Posted by AntiochusIII

Com'on, don't laugh. I like easy when I want it, well...easy.

It's because there is a province called "Galatia" (the town is Ancyra) that is Gallic in culture. The history of Galatia is long and interesting; let's just say some Gauls went to conquer Thrace, got thrown out of it by Macedonian efforts, crossed into Asia Minor to put some sweat on the Seleucids, and settled down in Galatia in the middle of Asia Minor, becoming highly-valued mercenaries and respected foes for the kings of the East. They'd last until the Romans assimilated them much, much later.

Congratulations on having a living Seleucid Empire. A rare feat, even in easy, and even though I don't think you did anything to help them.

[In my last game, I was using the "give_trait"/"give_ancillary" console to turn Seleucid generals into 10-star, 10-acumen, 10-influence gods early in the game (I was playing Carthage) and they did survive the onslaught of basically everybody around them intact

]

Oh wow I didnt know that about the Gauls, I imagined it was jsut a wacky AI

Yeah I didnt help the Seleucids, apart from trade with them.

I have actually finished up this game now. I decided no to try and war with Brutii but to go for a quick defeat, in one turn I had gone from almost no armies in their regions to having loads of them under siege. When they caved in and I had booted the Scipii out of Africa I had my 50 provinces :)

After playing my first campaign I am currently downloading the patches for it to see what difference they make and such, plus I should be able to play MP then?

Then after playing a few campaigns patched I might just install BI :) (they were selling in cheap in a shop so I bought it with no intention of buying it for a while)

Only problem is I have to d/l 1.3 first which is kinda annoying.

**gardibolt** · 01-03-2006, 20:11

I'd wipe out the Spanish to secure your rear (and because wiping out factions is so much fun!), then send your Iberian forces into ex-Numidia and pincer the Scipii between them and your Libyan forces. Meanwhile, clean out the Italian boot and then sail over to Greece and the riches to be had there.

If you're playing unpatched 1.0, bribe the Brutii armies to fight for you and use them to kill the other Brutii. Hilarious!!

**Rilder** · 01-04-2006, 02:00

Originally Posted by gardibolt

If you're playing unpatched 1.0, bribe the Brutii armies to fight for you and use them to kill the other Brutii. Hilarious!!

in 1.2 the civil war hit quite early (due to a failed assassain attempt on my part) and i had no army close enough to fight in italy...so i bribed a Julii Army led by a general i took him back to my 2 Italy Provinces and had his army retrained then sent him to war while i formed another army to suport him... anyways this army conquered everything he soon became a 10 star general and then soon become Lucius the Infantryman.