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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking
    Well, I can sort of explain that. The way the flag was set up:



    caused the flag behave like it does under windy conditions here on Earth. However, there is no atmosphere on the Moon to break the flag`s movements, so it continued to wave for long after it was set up:



    There`s no problems with the shadows either.
    hmm good point...though ill find sumthing to prove you wrong...and i knew there was sumthing funny with the shadows i only forgot what

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger
    hmm good point...though ill find sumthing to prove you wrong...and i knew there was sumthing funny with the shadows i only forgot what
    I hate to do this, but I'm going to have to cut you off before you begin. Simply visit this webpage. They have listed every 'reason' the hoax believers (HB's) say the moon landing was faked you have ever heard of, and probably more than a few you haven't. In each and every one, the 'theory' is debunked. At the end of the day, it all stems from applying 'common sense' to how things work on Earth and assuming that's how they'll work in an area devoid of atmosphere (no blast crater, footprints being too clear, etc).

    I've never seen a single reason posed for disbelieving the moon landing that wasn't more dubious than the landing itself. Is it possible NASA faked the moon landings? Sure. It's also possible that Hugh Hefner will leave the mansion and all the Playmates to me in his will, and my wife will be cool with this. Likelihood? About as likely that the moon landings were faked.

    I have a healthy distrust of the government, don't get me wrong, I'm not their apologist. But in this case, there's just too much evidence on one side to take the other remotely seriously. http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger
    hmm good point...though ill find sumthing to prove you wrong...and i knew there was sumthing funny with the shadows i only forgot what
    http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/

    Check that link, shows most the moon landing 'it was faked' theories, then some guy scrutinizing them.

    Moon landing? I myself want to believe it. I really do it. It's just...forgetting all those pictures and scientific rubbish to scrutinize I like to play in something I know a little more about: history.

    These are my reasons why it may have been faked (bearing in mind I do not have a definitive stance):

    In the 60's Mr. Yuri Gogarin (sorry for wrong spelling) was the first cosmonaut in space. The Americans, in their 'we must look better at russia at everything' stage obviously are not pleased by this, they lost in the public eye to an enemy. Oh and not forgetting a few years prior to this in the form of Sputnik the Americans had failed in the 'first satellite in space' race. So there is but only one semi-realistic objective to beat the russians to: the moon. So the President of the states goes out and declares by the end of the decade an American will have walked on the moon. Now here's where my theory get's very questionable which I admit (I reiterate I do not have a stance yet on is it was or was not faked). Perhaps it is 69, and oopsy we're not on the moon are we. The Russians could very well be close. Now, if USA lose after declaring they will win so majestically this will be a PR distaster. There's only one thing for it: a hoax.

    My next theory is more looking at today. We have not had a moon landing since what, like the 70's?! Why the hell not. This isnt a been there done that job, todays research techniques have to be better than 30 years ago, think of the things we could learn. So Russia, So NASA send a team to space now, show you can do it. Because interesting point, there hasnt been a moon landing since the cold war.

    Anyway, If anything I believe the landings did take place. But the questions I proposed in this thread I do think are at least sorta relevant.

    For now, until any other better hoax claims are brought to light. I will go for innocent until proven guilty and leave NASA alone.

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    Back to on topic material. Hmm lets see.

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    Sovereign,
    You're not offering proof, or even a theory about the moon landing being faked. You're offering a possible motive in the event that it could be proven or theorized that it WAS faked. Fair enough, and I agree with your reasoning. But motive alone doesn't offer any sort of proof.

    Hillary Clinton had a hell of a lot of motive to go Lorena Bobbit on Bill Clinton. But that's hardly 'proof' that our 42nd president in fact has a surgically reattached willy.

    As for the 'why don't we still go there' question, one simple answer. $$$$. It costs a lot of money to go the moon, and as far as I know, there's almost no return on the investment. Scientists would love to go back and make some more experiments. But until there's a compelling reason to put that kind of cash into it, there's no reason to do so. Somebody who DOES have a reason to do so, namely to prove that they too can do it, is in the process of doing it now and should land around 2008: China.

    Trust me, find some uranium or oil reserves up there and you'll see just how plausible it is.
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    Apparently, in Medieval times during jousts the crowd sang Queen's We Will Rock You. And cute princesses looked like sexy punks.

    Or isn't A Knights Tale based on facts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    Sovereign,
    You're not offering proof, or even a theory about the moon landing being faked. You're offering a possible motive in the event that it could be proven or theorized that it WAS faked. Fair enough, and I agree with your reasoning. But motive alone doesn't offer any sort of proof.

    Hillary Clinton had a hell of a lot of motive to go Lorena Bobbit on Bill Clinton. But that's hardly 'proof' that our 42nd president in fact has a surgically reattached willy.

    As for the 'why don't we still go there' question, one simple answer. $$$$. It costs a lot of money to go the moon, and as far as I know, there's almost no return on the investment. Scientists would love to go back and make some more experiments. But until there's a compelling reason to put that kind of cash into it, there's no reason to do so. Somebody who DOES have a reason to do so, namely to prove that they too can do it, is in the process of doing it now and should land around 2008: China.

    Trust me, find some uranium or oil reserves up there and you'll see just how plausible it is.
    Yup, I did say my 'theories' where dodgy and I am leaning towards to pro 'we landed for sure' side of things. Just speculation ^_^

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    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

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