Historical Bugs

**Malrubius** · 01-11-2006, 01:13

Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

I back this up...

Say, have you switched the locations of Pyrrhus's sons

?

Where should they be? I'm probably the one who has messed with the most family trees lately, LOL

**Reenk Roink** · 01-11-2006, 04:27

Here ya are:

Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Another small thing, It's not a bug, more of a suggestion, but I don't know where else to place it. You have Pyrrhus garissoned in Epidamnos, but wasn't he campaigning in Laconia in 272 BC?

Also, his oldest son Ptolemy is in Taras, although I have a source here that says that he stayed in Epirus while Pyrrhus went over to Magna Grecia to fight the Romans and that when Pyrrhus departed, he left his youngest Helenus with Milo:

http://hum.ucalgary.ca/wheckel/sources/ehk.pdf#search='pyrrhus'

(it's on Page 5, XVV3, #4)

Also Ptolemy would have been in Laconia with his father where he died, according to the above mentioned source and another I found:

http://bennieblount.org/Online/Ussher/86.htm

Quote:
2810. While Pyrrhus besieged Sparta, a company of women led by Archidamia, defended it against him until the return of Areus from Crete. Acrotatus the son of Areus, valiantly drove Ptolemy the son of Pyrrhus back when he made an assault and would have broken into Sparta with 2000 Gauls and some select companies from Chaonia. Thereupon Pyrrhus, despaired of accomplishing anything and withdrew. He took the spoil of the country and planned to winter there.

2811. Now while the war was going on in Laconia, Antigonus recovered the cities of Macedonia and marched down with his army into Peloponese. He wanted to fight again with Pyrrhus for he knew if Pyrrhus succeeded there, he would return to continue the war in Macedonia. (Pausan. in Attic. p. 12.) When Pyrrhus was on his way to Argos, Areus the king attacked him from the rear. He then cut off some of the Gauls and Molossians which brought up the rear. Orasus of Crete, slew Ptolemy the son of Pyrrhus, who fought valiantly for his father. (Plutarch) When Pyrrhus saw his son's dead body, he said that this death happened to him not as soon as he feared it would or for his much rashness in actions deserved. (Justin. l. 25. c. 4.)

**Reenk Roink** · 01-11-2006, 21:47

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 01-11-2006, 21:53

Hey Reenk, I posted on the internal board about this earlier today. I recommended:

Helenos definitely needs to be the character in Taras. No doubt about that.
Alexandros could be whereever we want him to in Epeiros itself. Probably in Ambrakia I'd say.
Pyrrhos and Ptolemaios - I'd say put them together with an army at 131, 118 (on the corner of epeiros, thessalia). Don't put them near Thermon as they'll cause a war there instead with KH.

A simple general should be inserted in Epidamnos as no family character will be there.

-Move the army with alexandros down to be the army with Pyrrhos and Ptolemaios
-Take the elephants and taxeis phalangitai out of Epidamnos (with pyrrhos too) and put them with this pyrrhos/alexandros army.
-Leave the other city garrisons as they are (epidamnos is still ok with troops after pyrrhos/elephants/phalanx are removed, taras is fine leaving it alone, and ambrakia is fine leaving it alone).

This doesn't add or subtract any characters or units. It just makes pyrrhos more likely to go either east after Maks or south (without getting stalled at Thermon) sooner. Thanks for reminding us about the whole issue though - had forgotten about a problem being there.