----Global warming----

[Lentonius]

As ever, we are being told to cut down on petrol and energy, as people tell us if we dont we are going to be swimming down to tesco's in our hot wet mess...


I just want to see your opinions on the matter

Whether the americans are killing us all by driving their SUV's around their 'rugged off road boulevards'?

or if it is a load of hogwash and a natural process?

Personally I vote for a happy medium, being slightly annoyed at the US and their love of SUV's around urban areas, and thinking it may be semi-natural

But the earth is definately changing..

[Red Peasant]

Personally, I use public transport and a bicycle, but that makes sense, to me anyway, as a city dweller. However, I can see that many other people need cars.

SUVs are not just an american phenomenon, they are multiplying at a tremendous rate here in Britain too. I have to laugh at the local housewives in their 'monster' vehicles dropping the kids at the nearby school and shopping at Tesco.

[jimmyM]

We're screwed whatever we do - compared to natural releases of methane from decaying organic matter and releases associated with underwater geological activity, ALL human activity accounts for a minuscule proportion. ~It seems that the current climate change (which is happening) is merely part of a recurring cycle of heating and cooling - we're over-due an ice-age, anyway...

So leave all your lights on, start a bonfire of CFC containing aerosols and dance round it shouting "we're all dooooooomed!", it seems we're in for the big interspecies "biomass reallocation" as middlemanagement would call it.


...came across a bit doomsday, there...any great change due to climate change will miss our generation, but you get the picture...

[Duke John]

Regardless wether SUVs or cars in general heat up the earth, I think car-owners in urban environments should be more aware of the effect of exhaust fumes has on public health.

[Rodion Romanovich]

As ever, we are being told to cut down on petrol and energy, as people tell us if we dont we are going to be swimming down to tesco's in our hot wet mess...


I just want to see your opinions on the matter

Whether the americans are killing us all by driving their SUV's around their 'rugged off road boulevards'?

or if it is a load of hogwash and a natural process?

Personally I vote for a happy medium, being slightly annoyed at the US and their love of SUV's around urban areas, and thinking it may be semi-natural

But the earth is definately changing..

That's about my view too. We're passing the point where our effects go from being of minuscule proporiton compared to natural processes to being the major heating effect on earth.

What we need is restrictions and control over the market to slow down market development of environment-harming products somewhat. It's nothing new really, we already have regulations of different kinds even in the most extreme capitalist countries. We just need the products to come to the market with a small delay, so that science gets time to catch up with new technology and make it environment friendly. Making the market lag just a decade or two after where it is today would make a huge difference, again reducing human impact to microscopic proportions compared to natural processes. Of course for such regulations to work it's necessary to make a more fair treaty than Kyoto if the USA is to accept it (but there are also claims from some that Bush wouldn't accept any trade restricting treaty no matter how fair it was).

[Lentonius]

just look at this, and our generation are gonna be affected i think...


by that time ill be around 42...

[Lentonius]

Also, if we could only use more nuclear power without people screaming 'chernobyl'

Nuclear power is safe if properly maintained

It is non-polluting

It is fairly cheap


Yet most developed countries are still shutting down their power plants because of a nuclear scare...

it was ukranian technology at it's worst- what more can i say?

[Lazul]

I agree, but the nuclear waste?

[Viking]

I agree, but the nuclear waste?

Blast into space and send make it collide with the Sun, or dig it down in some secure places; as we already do today.

@Topic

The Americans aren`t killing us, but some(millions of) poor asians that live 1 meter above sea level.. I don`t see any natural causes to the current warming. What causes ice ages is the orbit of the Earth, but Earth is not in any special orbit for the moment.

[kiwitt]

I agree, but the nuclear waste?

Once buried deeply in concrete (possibly in Antartica), it would do less harm than the current coal, oil and gas fired chimneys, to our health.

[Ironside]

Also, if we could only use more nuclear power without people screaming 'chernobyl'

Nuclear power is safe if properly maintained

It is non-polluting

Although it has improved a bit though and new methods is tried, nuclear waste is still a problematic pollution issue.
Your correct that safety problems is almost a non-issue in western countries though.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I do believe that our atmosphere is being depleted, which would contribute to global warming.

I think walking places is a good idea, which is something I do, but I do get lazy , and when I do I make sure to get a carpool.

[Lanemerkel1]

As ever, we are being told to cut down on petrol and energy, as people tell us if we dont we are going to be swimming down to tesco's in our hot wet mess...


I just want to see your opinions on the matter

Whether the americans are killing us all by driving their SUV's around their 'rugged off road boulevards'?

or if it is a load of hogwash and a natural process?

Personally I vote for a happy medium, being slightly annoyed at the US and their love of SUV's around urban areas, and thinking it may be semi-natural

But the earth is definately changing..

this is BULLCRAP


first of all the UN is constantly telling the US to lower it's pollution rate
1) We have lower total pollution than conturies half our size
2) China has pollution from it's little communist ass in california
3) most of the stuff the UN is telling us to get rid of is heavier than air chemicals (i.e. can't disturb th Ozone CAUSE IT CAN'T EVEN GET THERE)



nuclear waste I can see

but the Air Conditioning chemical we were forced to get rid of a few years back is like 10 times heavier than air,

Being a christian and believing that the entire earth was once tropical, I think we are returning to normal (i.e. no winter or snow....HUZZAH!) not getting "too warm" and with my belieifs by the time this stuff gets too serious even if your right, the human race will be long gone from this pathetic planet

[Sartaq]

believing that the entire earth was once tropical, I think we are returning to normal (i.e. no winter or snow....HUZZAH!)

Hey...I like winter, and snow

[Ironside]

this is BULLCRAP


first of all the UN is constantly telling the US to lower it's pollution rate
1) We have lower total pollution than conturies half our size
2) China has pollution from it's little communist ass in california

We're talking about CO2 emissions, not general pollution. Although pollution certainly is an issue, CO2 is more important when it comes to global warming. At CO2 emissions, US holds the first place, both in total and induvidual levels.
BBC on CO2 emissions

3) most of the stuff the UN is telling us to get rid of is heavier than air chemicals (i.e. can't disturb th Ozone CAUSE IT CAN'T EVEN GET THERE)

but the Air Conditioning chemical we were forced to get rid of a few years back is like 10 times heavier than air,

Gases only got a tendency to follow thier molecular weight, they don't act as liquids. Thus even when most of it is at the bottom, some of the gas still rises to higher levels. Otherwise would water vapour be quite non-existant at the water level.
I'm not sure how the atmosphere affects this though, if it increases or decrases the tendency.

Being a christian and believing that the entire earth was once tropical, I think we are returning to normal (i.e. no winter or snow....HUZZAH!) not getting "too warm" and with my belieifs by the time this stuff gets too serious even if your right, the human race will be long gone from this pathetic planet

I'm curious on when you consider this tropical age to have existed.

[Lazul]

Being a christian and believing that the entire earth was once tropical, I think we are returning to normal (i.e. no winter or snow....HUZZAH!) not getting "too warm" and with my belieifs by the time this stuff gets too serious even if your right, the human race will be long gone from this pathetic planet

so, first of all you believe as a christian you dont have to care about polution becouse it will just take us back to the tropical past that you christians long for.
Second you dont Actually care about this planet that your god created for you... couse its Pathetic. Intresting.

Science has allready proven that it will be the next few generation that has to deal with the effects, human-made or natural.