Peltastai vs. Thureophoroi

**Trithemius** · 03-07-2006, 11:15

First of all, I apologise if this has previously been the source of any flamewars; I'm not looking to criticise any choices on the part of the EB unit team, I am just curious about why they made this particular choice.

I was wondering why the peltastai have a good charge rating (24) and the thureophoroi (who, according to the descriptions, seem to be heavier and more melee-capable troops) have a charge rating of 1. I know that the numbers are not always in a simple relationship with each other, but 24 compared to 1 seems a pretty large difference.

Could someone in-the-know possibly explain, or are you all too damn busy to pander to overly-curious fans? ;)

**QwertyMIDX** · 03-07-2006, 18:40

Thureophoroi have a 26, the 1 is the charge for their javelins. Peltastai have a 24 with their swords and a 1 with the javelins. (1 is the lowest the game registers).

Also, remember this is 1.2 and charge is pretty much completely bugged, in the 1.5 stats set charge values will be lower, much more important, and more systematically calculated.

**Olaf The Great** · 03-07-2006, 22:01

Wow didn´t know that,
So Peltastai are only better then Thuerophoroi in hiding?
Well atleast they are worth it

**Reverend Joe** · 03-07-2006, 22:25

They are more mobile and cheaper than Thurephoroi, so they are more adept as skirmishers, but they can still fight hand-to-hand effectively. However, the Thurephoroi are better at holding the line, whereas the Peltastai are better used as flankers. This is only speaking in terms of comparing the two, however; they both fall within a certain area of competence, just that they are on different parts of the spectrum.

Really, it just depends on what you would rather use.

**Trithemius** · 03-08-2006, 00:38

Originally Posted by Zorba

They are more mobile and cheaper than Thurephoroi, so they are more adept as skirmishers, but they can still fight hand-to-hand effectively. However, the Thurephoroi are better at holding the line, whereas the Peltastai are better used as flankers. This is only speaking in terms of comparing the two, however; they both fall within a certain area of competence, just that they are on different parts of the spectrum.

Really, it just depends on what you would rather use.

Cheers for this too!

I think thureophoroi are more stylish, also their name is better. I also think that the Hellenes are well equipped with diverse skirmishing units and prefer the slightly-stiffer mobile infantry for guarding the edges of my phalanx.

**Kralizec** · 03-08-2006, 18:08

Plus while peltastai get demolished by heavy cavalry, thureophoroi carry spears

**aevionknight** · 03-21-2006, 08:19

Originally Posted by Zorba

...they are more adept as skirmishers, but they can still fight hand-to-hand effectively.

God, did I find that out the hard way. I besieged a town of Eleutheroi on Sicily. When I saw their unit list (almost all Peltasti), I thought, "Hey, no problem! What can Peltasti do against Hastati?"

Annihilate them in close quarters, apparently. Ouch.

**Trithemius** · 03-21-2006, 23:37

Originally Posted by aevionknight

God, did I find that out the hard way. I besieged a town of Eleutheroi on Sicily. When I saw their unit list (almost all Peltasti), I thought, "Hey, no problem! What can Peltasti do against Hastati?"

Annihilate them in close quarters, apparently. Ouch.

I recruited the hell out of mercenary Hippeis for those fights - they got pretty badly cut up, but I was able to relieve my infantry by chasing away unengaged peltastai units and preventing them from ganging up on my units. They seem to crumple pretty quick, but they also like to regroup from routing fast too.

**Trithemius** · 03-08-2006, 00:36

Originally Posted by QwertyMIDX

Thureophoroi have a 26, the 1 is the charge for their javelins. Peltastai have a 24 with their swords and a 1 with the javelins. (1 is the lowest the game registers).

Also, remember this is 1.2 and charge is pretty much completely bugged, in the 1.5 stats set charge values will be lower, much more important, and more systematically calculated.

Cheers for that!