Any use for Cardinals?

[NodachiSam]

I miss those cool cutscenes too but that's another matter entirely :P Inquisitors are eterna agents and can't be killed in their line of work. Of course assassins can take them out. They do get valour however and sometimes kill lowly assassins but arn't the equivilent of general.

Cardinals, orthodox Bishops and their muslim equivalent are the super priests and convert at much faster rate. They can bring a captured province or one that you want to capture into line much faster than normal thus saving you aggravation. Also the Cathedral gives +3 moral but I don't know if its cumulative with the monastery or relinquery, or church for that matter. What sucks about that is that any province with that bonus is one you likely want to produce soldiers at.

Why not only make graninquisitors when you're able? I don't see any benefit to the normal ones over them.

[Matty]

Why not only make graninquisitors when you're able? I don't see any benefit to the normal ones over them.

Thanks all.

I only have one because I think they seriously overpower the game. My normal inquisitors, given enough time and effort, can take out an enemy heir on their own.

In my current game I have four inquisitors (all 7 and 6 star) and one grand inquisitor (new boy) - I've been burning every English general and prince for 50 years (OK, I miss a few princes) and they cannot get a 5 star general without me taking them out. On the few occassions where an enemy inquisitor comes along, they usually go for my garrison general of peasants. And I play on expert (XL Mod) - it seems a bit unfair. I don't ever lose a good general or heir to assassins/inquisition.

[ajaxfetish]

Another possible use for bishops/cardinals is as spies. They don't tend to get assassinated as often as emissaries (though some provinces seem to love murdering these guys), and of course they're not affected by borderforts or counterspying agents.

Inquisitors haven't been quite as nice to me. I've had several games where one of them will waltz in and start eliminating all my decent generals, and sometimes I'm in a position to need those ones. They've usually picked up enough stars that my fledgling assassination program can't take them out, especially as they move around so often and drag their pursuers through areas with border forts. Sometimes the easiest way to protect myself is to go all out against their faction and eliminate them all.

Ajax

[Roark]

Cardinals, Orthohodox Bishops and Imams are all great for provoking civil wars in opposing factions too...

Find a province with a relatively small garrison and plonk your super-religous agents in there. Then just wait. IT's a great way of creating rebel provinces without officially going to war with someone.

[Ludens]

Cardinals, Orthohodox Bishops and Imams are all great for provoking civil wars in opposing factions too...

Yes, but religious revolts are not civil wars. They don't turn your enemies royal family or top generals against each other.

Martok, are you sure that bishops don't stop inquisitors? I have never researched, but mainly took it on faith because some else posted it and my cardinals also seem to slow them down.

Incidentally, the Muslim equivalent of the Cardinal, the Imam, increases zeal in Muslim provinces. Though this is not as important as for a Crusades (as Jihads are more limited in their targets), it is still nice for generating some extra Janisaries.

[Roark]

Yes, but religious revolts are not civil wars. They don't turn your enemies royal family or top generals against each other.

You are indeed correct (My main point being that rebel provinces are created by the uprisings).

[Martok]

Martok, are you sure that bishops don't stop inquisitors? I have never researched, but mainly took it on faith because some else posted it and my cardinals also seem to slow them down.

Hang on here, I'll double-check.... Well it says right in the manual that *both* bishops and cardinals can help keep an inquisitor from getting out of control, so it would indeed appear that my earlier post was incorrect. (And no, I don't know how the idea that bishops couldn't do that got stuck in my head.) Even assuming the manual is correct, though, I still don't think bishops are nearly as good at counteracting inquisitors as cardinals are. In a few early games from when I started playing MTW over three years ago, I know I would spam my provinces with multiple bishops in an attempt to prevent nearby inquisitors (both other factions' and my own) from going overboard. They never seemed to make much of a dent, however. Only if I sent in a cardinal or two would things truly calm down.

So at least in my experience, a single cardinal is more effective than a handful of bishops--not to mention more cost-effective. It's been a *loooong* time since I've even tried using bishops for that purpose, though; so it could be that I just have a selective memory, and that bishops might work just fine. I just know that given how ineffective they seemed to be at the time, I long ago started using the tactic of cranking out as many cardinals as I possibly could (in place of bishops).

Incidentally, the Muslim equivalent of the Cardinal, the Imam, increases zeal in Muslim provinces. Though this is not as important as for a Crusades (as Jihads are more limited in their targets), it is still nice for generating some extra Janisaries.

I agree, Imams rule! Nothing like sending a few of them out to whip up the Faithful into a frenzy and take back what Allah wills me to have.

[NodachiSam]

I use religious agents for a spy network. Not only do I see everything I want I make trouble for everyone and make conquest for myself easier :) As well they are, as said in an earlier post, rarely ever targetted.

[ajaxfetish]

So at least in my experience, a single cardinal is more effective than a handful of bishops--not to mention more cost-effective. It's been a *loooong* time since I've even tried using bishops for that purpose, though; so it could be that I just have a selective memory, and that bishops might work just fine.

I've also tried using Bishops to hold off inquisitors and have felt completely helpless. I haven't done as much with Cardinals so I can't make a great comparison, but my Bishop attempts have all been disappointments.

Ajax