Alexander Total War

[Tanit]

I am not a modder myself. I have neither the software nor the knowledge. However, I just thought that EB's map and units could be used for a slightly different time frame, such as that of Alexander, and if there are any real modders out there who are interested I would be happy to compile the information for them. I have the most basic ideas put together already, though my sources are limited, and I wish to present what I have come up with. The year is 335 BC and Phillip II has just been assassinated leaving the young, 20 year old Alexander on the throne of Makedonia, ready to conquer the Persian Empire.

Alexander Total War 335 BC

For Sure Factions
Karthadastim
Rome
Makedonia
Koinon Hellenon
Getai
Aedui
Iberia

New Factions
Persia
Etruscans
Illyria

Questionable Factions
Casse
Sweboz
Sarmatians
Epeiros
Arverni
Yuezhi
Baktria

Cut Factions
Ptolemoi
Arche Seleukia
Pahlava
Hayasdan
Pontus

I have an EB map with rough territories on it but I am unable to post it right now.

[Dayve]

Sounds great if someone can do it!

[QwertyMIDX]

A map far less focused on the west would make more sense. More of India and more provinces in the near east would be the way to go.

[Dayve]

I eas thinking the same thing... Perhaps some of the north of the map axed as well?

[Tanit]

A map far less focused on the west would make more sense. More of India and more provinces in the near east would be the way to go.

Well you have to remember that Alexander did worry about the rising power of the city state of Rome upon his return to Babylon and realized he might have to deal with them. Also, upon his return from India he was approached by diplomats from Carthage, Libya and Gaul. So the west was a rising power that Alexander recognized and many of them either wanted to escape his notice or gain him as an ally to intimidate others.

[Dooz]

I think this would be the perfect mod for EB eventually. Of course assuming that it's a good while after EB has officially been completed, including being ported and whatnot. But based on everything in the mod, and all the possibilities EB has developed, a mod such as this would be the next logical step.

[Geoffrey S]

More eastern areas would be great. Also, it'd be nice to start with Philip II as king; see if I can make Alexander worthwhile as heir, and possibly just assassinate Philip for kicks.

[Tanit]

It would be more exciting to start at Phillip's death. Not only do you have to deal with the military and political situation you have been plunged into, but you can also have the continuing intrigue about who did kill Phillip? Hunt down possible murderers and try to prove to the Greeks and Macedonians that youe innocent while you endeavor to conquer the world.

[jerby]

take into account that 60% of EB's units aren't 330BC compatible...
a 100 years of military deleopment is a lot...Pezhetairoi looked completly different (phrygian helmet, ie)

[noobtastic]

There is one being made for RTR 7.0

http://forums.rometotalrealism.org//...p?showforum=26

Aside from that, EB is still in its beta stage. Don't look for a mod being made for it for some time. They have to finish EB first!

[Mr Jones]

wouldn't KH be conquered at this stage? possibly others as well, i am not sure about illyrians and what not.

[Keba]

There was Sparta, and maybe Rhodes. I don't know about the others.

[nic]

I wouldn't worry about the mod being made for RTR as it seems to be petering out. Also, I think perhaps the Triballians might be more specifically relevant than just the Getai. I'd say with regard to factions that the fewer the better because obviously it would mean less work. I'd love to help in any way I could with a mod like that.

[Ypoknons]

No, Eprius invaded Italy at this time, so they should remain in such a mod. But certainly Spain was not a major concern of anyone's?

[Homo Sapiens]

No, the Koinen Hellenon wasn't around in the time of Alexander, as it was formed by Chremonides of Athens in 268 BC to counter the threat of Antigonus II and the Macedonians.

By the time Alexander took the throne, almost all of Greece was under Macedonian control. However, if the Greeks still get their own faction, I would say it should be the alliance of Athens, Sparta and Thebes against their Macedonian occupiers.

[The Choosen]

how are u going to get enough units to fill out the small mount of factions. plus the romans weren't to much of a factor until after the death of alexander the great. so i think a lot of thought would need to go into this. but it's a great idea cuz alexander is awesome. :)

[Tanit]

No, the Koinen Hellenon wasn't around in the time of Alexander, as it was formed by Chremonides of Athens in 268 BC to counter the threat of Antigonus II and the Macedonians.

By the time Alexander took the throne, almost all of Greece was under Macedonian control. However, if the Greeks still get their own faction, I would say it should be the alliance of Athens, Sparta and Thebes against their Macedonian occupiers.

I don't know about sparta but Athens and Thebes revolted against Alexander shortly after his fathers death while he was campaigning in the Illyrian area i think. And Koinen Hellenon doesn't just refer to Chremonidas, It simplky means allinace of greeks or something like that. Rome was facing off with the Etruscans at this time and one or the other was about to become the masters of the Italian peninsula.

Factions look like this sort of:
Gaul
Rome
Etruscans
Samnites
Carthaginians
Syraceuse
Illyria
Thrace
Makedon
Geek states
Persia
Scythians
India(Porrus)

Maybe:
spain
Britain
Germany

[Tanit]

No, the Koinen Hellenon wasn't around in the time of Alexander, as it was formed by Chremonides of Athens in 268 BC to counter the threat of Antigonus II and the Macedonians.

By the time Alexander took the throne, almost all of Greece was under Macedonian control. However, if the Greeks still get their own faction, I would say it should be the alliance of Athens, Sparta and Thebes against their Macedonian occupiers.

I don't know about sparta but Athens and Thebes revolted against Alexander shortly after his fathers death while he was campaigning in the Illyrian area i think. And Koinen Hellenon doesn't just refer to Chremonidas, It simplky means allinace of greeks or something like that. Rome was facing off with the Etruscans at this time and one or the other was about to become the masters of the Italian peninsula.

Factions look like this sort of:
Gaul
Rome
Etruscans
Samnites
Carthaginians
Syraceuse
Illyria
Thrace
Makedon
Geek states
Persia
Scythians
India(Porrus)

Maybe:
spain
Britain
Germany

This could also be done as a mod of BI by EB going further back in time instead of ahead.

[konny]

Because there were no responses here since 03/2006, I suppose this project has long since passed away.

Anyway I would like to open it anew, because with the all the new units in EB 1.0, in the East in particular, it might be possible to create a "quick mod" in the sense of a "Prelude to EB, 360 BC to 260 BC". That is by useing the units and buildings that are allready in EB assinging new the territories and changeing some of the factions.


Ok, we have five free faction slots:
AS
Ptolemaians
Baktria
Pontos
Armenia

One of these will become the Persians, that means that four new factions can make it in. Let's see what's left:

Casse (unchanged)
Sweboz (unchanged)
Lusotannians (unchanged)
Carthage (unchanged/according to 360 BC territories)
Epiros (-Taras)
Makedonia (Pella only)

Arverni/Aedui: I think it would be better to have one faction in Gaul onyl (may be the Bituriges in Avaricum) and get an Italo-Celtic faction in instead. That should be one the tribes who settled in and around Mediolanum.

Italy: Rome is Latium only. Her enemies are the Etruscans and the Samnite. Of these I would like to make Etruscans Eleutheroi for three reasons:

1st We don't have any decent factional units for them and have to borrow units from other factions.

2nd When Rome is sandwiched with one town between two hostile factions, they won't make it out of the first 10 turns if controlled by the AI

3rd A rebell central Italy might encourage the Italian Celts to expand in that direction.

The Samnite will be the first faction to make in. The Roman unit stock can be divded between them with the Leves, Hastati, Principes, Triarii, both Extraordinarii and Equites for Northern Italy, and the Accensi, Rorari, Campanians and both Samnite for Southern Italy. Recruitable for both and extended to all EB 1.0 Roman homelands (there will be no reforms for the Romans, the game starts short after Camillus' death and ends long before the Polybian periode).


Greece I think there should be a second Greek faction (Thessaly? Sparte?) allied with KH and/or either Thessaly or Sparte Eleutheroi. That will make it easyer for a Makedonian player to get Greece under controll, since he is espected to steamroll Persia in the first place.

Balkans: May be switching Getai for Thracia would be an idea, or getting Thracia in as a new faction? That could prevent an AI Persia from expanding into Europe as long as Makedonia is still busy with the Greeks.

East: That is more or less completly Persian. An Indian faction would be debatable to distracted the Persian a little.


Others: Syracusae would be good to prevent the Samnite from running for those rebell towns in the south instead of fighting Rome. Either Scythia or the Bosporian Greeks could be an idea to hinder Persian expansion in that direction. Something along the Danube or the Baltics would be fine, but this sub-mod is very much focused on Makedonia and the Eastern Mediterranian, so spending a slot for NW-Europe is not good.


Units: Pretty much of the units of EB can be used for this earlyer periode, too, especially since the mod is streching into the starting periode of EB. I think, none of the units that are to be have by reforms in EB should make it in. Others can be made available by new reforms, or, like some of the successor units, become Makedonian units recuruitable on Persian territory.


The worst problem would be of course (apart from all the text editing), how to prevent Persia from overruning everyone else?

What do you think?

[Malik of Sindh]

A great idea.If you will start it,good luck!

[Diamondj]

There definitely shouldn't be an Epirus faction, its territory would be controlled by Alexander since he inherited that throne as well thanks to his mom.

[konny]

It is intended to start in or around 360 BC. That is before Olympia married Philipp and, as far as I know, Arybbas was still alive.

[Admetos]

Originally Posted by noobtastic
Aside from that, EB is still in its beta stage. Don't look for a mod being made for it for some time. They have to finish EB first!

Noobtastic indeed, EB hasn't been a beta since 0.8, and people calling it a beta was the reason this one was named 1.0, it seems that didn't work though...

[konny]

Please do not reply to posts previous to my first in this thread beacause they are more than 1 1/2 years old.

[Admetos]

Silly me, I didn't even notice.

[konny]

Some conceptual ideas on armies usueing the EB models:

Italian Greeks (Syracusae)



Makedonia (more interesting for what is missing)



A possible Thrakian army



The Persians



Much guesswork for this one. Were Kataphrakts a lot used by the Persians? I had limited them to the Kinsmen. Elephants?

[Malik of Sindh]

I know that pahlavans were much moer cavalry based then persians.Limited to kinsmen sounds good to me.

[Diamondj]

It is intended to start in or around 360 BC. That is before Olympia married Philipp and, as far as I know, Arybbas was still alive.

Oh, sorry I didn't read the date. I had assumed the campaign begins on the death of Phillip. Still though, it would be pretty cool if there was some way that Macedon could automatically take over Epirus's territory when Arybbas dies

[Malik of Sindh]

About the elephants,I think you should limit them to native mic in the Sindh province,because persians recruited their elephants from there IIRC.

[konny]

Yes, local MIC would be a good idea. There are other locals that I hadn't though about, too: "Greek Mercaneries" should be recruitable in locals MICs in the western Satrapies. But what were they? I think in Alexander's army this term refers to Iphikratians, but is it true for the Persian army well?

Still though, it would be pretty cool if there was some way that Macedon could automatically take over Epirus's territory when Arybbas dies

That is not possible, ASFAIK. I don't think that it would be accurate either because the Epirotes had their own king in Alexander I (a different Alexander than the Great), who started the war in Italy in the 330s. But it should be allied.