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    Default Re: Bad traits due to excessive cash!

    Okay, something is wrong here. I moded the Aesthetic trait description in the export_descr_character_traits.txt file as follows:

    Code:
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait Aesthetic
        Characters family
        ExcludeCultures barbarian
        NoGoingBackLevel  2 
        AntiTraits Austere
        Level Lover_of_Beauty
            Description Lover_of_Beauty_desc
            EffectsDescription Lover_of_Beauty_effects_desc
            Threshold  1000 
            Effect Influence  1 
            Effect Command -1 
        Level Connoisseur
            Description Connoisseur_desc
            EffectsDescription Connoisseur_effects_desc
            Threshold  2000 
            Effect Influence  2 
            Effect Command -2 
        Level Aesthete
            Description Aesthete_desc
            EffectsDescription Aesthete_effects_desc
            Threshold  3000 
            Effect Influence  3 
            Effect Command -3
    I also moded the Embezzler trait description as follows:

    Code:
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait Embezzler
        Characters family
        ExcludeCultures barbarian
        AntiTraits Upright
        Level Financially_Irregular
            Description Financially_Irregular_desc
            EffectsDescription Financially_Irregular_effects_desc
            Threshold  2000 
            Effect Management -1 
        Level Fiscally_Flexible
            Description Fiscally_Flexible_desc
            EffectsDescription Fiscally_Flexible_effects_desc
            Threshold  3000 
            Effect Management -2 
        Level Embezzler
            Description Embezzler_desc
            EffectsDescription Embezzler_effects_desc
            Threshold  6000 
            Effect Management -3
    So as I understand it, a character should have to have 2000 points of the Aesthetic trait before getting the Connoisseur vice, and 2000 points of the Embezzler trait before getting the Financially Irregular vice, which should make it all but impossible (or at least make it take a very long time) to get either vice.

    Yet by the end of the fourth turn in my new game, my faction heir was a crook who enjoyed fine wine and rich food.

    What gives?
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    Default Re: Bad traits due to excessive cash!

    Maybe those values are way of the normal range.
    Try something more normal like 10, 20 or 30.
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    Default Re: Bad traits due to excessive cash!

    Quote Originally Posted by professorspatula
    Probably should be a modding question then.

    Anyway, edit the export_descr_character_traits.txt file.

    Then find this:
    Trigger corruption1

    That's the first trigger test for corruption.

    The next few triggers are under that one.

    The effects of the 50K, 100K and 150K corruption trait tests are cumulative.

    You can increase the amount of denarii required for the trigger to kick in, or you could remove the traits affected, or lower the chance of receiving an increase in the trait. Or you could even edit the threshold level for each of the traits. The Corrupt trait for example could be edited so you need 12 points in it to reach the maximum level of the trait. At the moment you need just 6 points.

    But er, yea, going back to your original question, to change the denarii limits,
    edit these parts:
    Condition EndedInSettlement
    and Treasury > 50000

    And up it to whatever you want. Do it for all the triggers that check for denarii in your treasury.
    Could you not just delete the whole following section and then have no corruption triggers kick in due to excessive cash?

    Code:
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger corruption1
        WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
        Condition EndedInSettlement
              and Treasury > 50000
        Affects Corrupt  1  Chance  3 
        Affects Aesthetic  1  Chance  3 
        Affects ExpensiveTastes  1  Chance  3 
        Affects Epicurean  1  Chance  3 
        Affects BadAdministrator  1  Chance  3 
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger corruption2
        WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
        Condition EndedInSettlement
              and Treasury > 100000
        Affects Corrupt  1  Chance  3 
        Affects Aesthetic  1  Chance  3 
        Affects ExpensiveTastes  1  Chance  3 
        Affects Epicurean  1  Chance  3 
        Affects Embezzler  1  Chance  3 
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger corruption4
        WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
        Condition EndedInSettlement
              and Treasury > 150000
        Affects Corrupt  1  Chance  3 
        Affects Aesthetic  1  Chance  3 
        Affects ExpensiveTastes  1  Chance  3 
        Affects Epicurean  1  Chance  3 
        Affects Embezzler  1  Chance  3 
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger corruption3
        WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
        Condition EndedInSettlement
              and Treasury > 50000
              and CultureType roman
        Affects ApicianRomanVice  1  Chance  3
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    Default Re: Bad traits due to excessive cash!

    It might work in this case since its not the only trigger section for corruption.
    I'm wondering if there must be at least one trigger for a trait or a ctd occurs.

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    Default Re: Bad traits due to excessive cash!

    Quote Originally Posted by orangat
    It might work in this case since its not the only trigger section for corruption.
    I'm wondering if there must be at least one trigger for a trait or a ctd occurs.
    I'm going to try it when I get home tonight. I'll let you know.
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    Default Re: Bad traits due to excessive cash!

    Quote Originally Posted by orangat
    It might work in this case since its not the only trigger section for corruption.
    I'm wondering if there must be at least one trigger for a trait or a ctd occurs.
    You can have traits without having a trigger for them. That doesn't cause CTDs.

    If you don't want the trait to appear, just comment out or delete the triggers.

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    Default Re: Bad traits due to excessive cash!

    But never, and I say never comment out or delete traits themselfs (1/2 half of the file) since that can lead to saves incombatibility.

    For triggers, it's fine.
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