Bad traits due to excessive cash!

**gardibolt** · 01-11-2006, 19:10

But it is the standard for BI (which tends to have much lower income generally anyway).

**x-dANGEr** · 01-12-2006, 09:55

Upkeep for units in BI is really higher than in RTW. (Or so I think)

**fallen851** · 01-13-2006, 08:33

Well crap, I have upwards of 500,000 dollars in my campaign, and I've been wondering why the traits of all my governors has gone to absolute crap...

Hmm...

**x-dANGEr** · 01-13-2006, 11:40

You have 500k denarii!! Don't you have an army?

**player1** · 01-13-2006, 12:36

Note that in BI with patch 1.6 these triggers got tweaks so they happen slightly later, plus chances to gain those traits are much lower.

Here is the whole listing for anybody interested (BI):

Code:

;------------------------------------------
Trigger corruption1
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= proconsuls_palace
          and Treasury > 13000

    Affects Corrupt  1  Chance  1 
    Affects Aesthetic  1  Chance  1 
    Affects ExpensiveTastes  1  Chance  1 
    Affects Epicurean  1  Chance  1 
    Affects Embezzler  1  Chance  1 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger corruption2
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= proconsuls_palace
          and Treasury > 18000

    Affects Corrupt  1  Chance  2 
    Affects Aesthetic  1  Chance  2 
    Affects ExpensiveTastes  1  Chance  3 
    Affects Epicurean  1  Chance  3 
    Affects Embezzler  1  Chance  2 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger corruption4
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= proconsuls_palace
          and Treasury > 24000

    Affects Corrupt  1  Chance  4 
    Affects Aesthetic  1  Chance  4 
    Affects ExpensiveTastes  1  Chance  3 
    Affects Epicurean  1  Chance  3 
    Affects Embezzler  1  Chance  4 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger corruption3
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= proconsuls_palace
          and Treasury > 24000
          and CultureType roman

    Affects ApicianRomanVice  1  Chance  5 
    Affects Loyal  1  Chance  3 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger corruption4_western_empire
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= proconsuls_palace
          and Treasury > 13000
          and Treasury <= 24000
          and CultureType roman
          and FactionType empire_west

    Affects ApicianRomanVice  1  Chance  4 
    Affects Corrupt  1  Chance  2 
    Affects Embezzler  1  Chance  2

Notice they all now require 4th level cities.
And that romans can gain Loyalty benefits this way too.

and:

Code:

Trigger luxurious_lifestyle3
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= city_plumbing
          and Treasury > 5000

    Affects Aesthetic  1  Chance  2 
    Affects Epicurean  1  Chance  3 
    Affects ExpensiveTastes  1  Chance  2 
    Affects Gambling  1  Chance  2 
    Affects Generous  1  Chance  5 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger luxurious_lifestyle5
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= silk_rd
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= governors_palace
          and Treasury > 8000

    Affects Aesthetic  1  Chance  3 
    Affects Epicurean  1  Chance  2 
    Affects ExpensiveTastes  1  Chance  2 
    Affects Gambling  1  Chance  1 
    Affects Girls  1  Chance  3 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger luxurious_lifestyle6
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and CultureType roman
          and Treasury > 1000
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= city_plumbing
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= curia

    Affects Loyal  1  Chance  1 
    Affects Epicurean  1  Chance  1 
    Affects ApicianRomanVice  1  Chance  2 
    Affects Gambling  1  Chance  1 
    Affects Girls  1  Chance  1

**Monarch** · 01-13-2006, 18:17

I wish I could have these problems. I had a nice big treasury as Egypt until the plague that is the Scipii started expanding, I was happily tackling Scythia but then suddenly I needed lots of troops on two fronts. I struggle to break even :(

(But most my cities are very well equiped, most possible buildings that can be built have been built)

**Captain Fishpants** · 01-17-2006, 10:42

Hmm.

With the benefit of hindsight it was probably not that clever to peg VnVs to a set amount of cash for a faction. It would have been better to consider the faction's wealth as a proportion of the total cash in the game world for all factions, at least for some of the corruption traits. For some of the governor traits, a similar check for the proportion of wealth his city generated for the faction would have been equally valid.

That way, "rich" would have been a relative thing, not an absolute.