Iran & Nuclear Armaments: The Sequel/War in Iran!

**Fragony** · 01-13-2006, 15:15

About bloody time, I cannot stand that mountaingoat.

**English assassin** · 01-13-2006, 15:16

Has the US got the resources to invade and subdue Iran as well as maintaining its presence in Iraq? Regardless of whether an attack would be a good thing, can you actually do it?

I have previously been cheerleader in chief for the Iranians (at least amongst non-Iranian posters) but I have to say my opinions have changed. Ahmadinejad is plainly very bad news indeed and my hopes for gradual modernisation have been rather dashed. Under no circumstances should this regime be allowed to develop nuclear weapons.

Once again its ordinary Iranians who get the **** end of the stick though.

**Fragony** · 01-13-2006, 15:24

Originally Posted by English assassin

Once again its ordinary Iranians who get the **** end of the stick though.

One could say that they elected him. But I think they just voted against the corruption. The people of Iran should keep that backward goat in check, they must know they will be attacked eventually. All out war isn't really necesary, just shake up the infrastructure a bit and wait for the next elections, I doubt he will be re-elected.

**Don Corleone** · 01-13-2006, 15:30

There's not going to be any war in Iran. My guess is that much like North Korea, this is a desparate attempt by Iran to force the rest of the world, the US in particular, to normalize relations and end all trade restrictions.

If we didn't invade Pakistan in 1997/1998, we're not going to invade anybody. And the rest of Europe wouldn't invade anyone without the US doing the majority of the bleeding.

Iran knows they wouldn't last 5 minutes after a pre-emptive nuclear strike. Heck, we have submarines in the Persian gulf. There's a distinct possibility after they opened their silo doors we could bomb the missles in the silos, before they could launch. There's a window during the launch sequence where it's clear to anyone watching what you're doing but the missile isn't ready to go. The only real danger here is Iran sneaking a small bomb or a dirty bomb to Hezbollah or somebody like that. Even that is an unlikely (though frightening) scenario.

**Devastatin Dave** · 01-13-2006, 15:40

Wow, and I thought with Europe's superior diplomatic skills they would disarm the Iranians and make them reject extreme Islam and maybe even get them to pick little flowers and be sweet to puppy dogs. I'm just shocked.

**Spetulhu** · 01-13-2006, 16:59

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Iran knows they wouldn't last 5 minutes after a pre-emptive nuclear strike. The only real danger here is Iran sneaking a small bomb or a dirty bomb to Hezbollah or somebody like that. Even that is an unlikely (though frightening) scenario.

Why would they do that? Someone who can only field a few nukes isn't going to waste them on someone far away. They'll keep the things as insurance in case some powerful nation tries a conventional attack against them. A strategically placed warhead could knock out large portions of an enemy massed for invasion.

**Geoffrey S** · 01-13-2006, 16:56

Originally Posted by Fragony

One could say that they elected him. But I think they just voted against the corruption.

There's no way he was elected under even remotely fair circumstances. It was merely a choice between candidates the mullahs allowed.

**Don Corleone** · 01-13-2006, 17:01

Everybody is missing the obvious implications here. We all agree that previous presidents of Iran have been subservient to the will of the mullahs that run the Sharia courts, right? How can this guy be continually making statements and enacting policies that they aren't in line with... I think he's just a mouthpiece (one that happens to agree) but I think his statements and actions signal a willingness by the theocracy as a whole to 1) proceed towards gaining nuclear weapons 2) continuing to provoke agression against Israel (though I doubt they'll use their newly developed nuclear weapons to do this) 3) tell anybody, the US included, to go screw if they don't like it.

Once you join the nuclear club, you can get away with a lot more than you used to be able to (hello, Tibet anybody?)