are atheists part of a faith?

[Divinus Arma]

Isn't this like asking if black is a color?

You deserve an award for that comment. That is the best I have heard in a while.

No, it's a shade.

[Strike For The South]

Black is the absence of white and since black = dark and white = light and light>dark therefore white>black

[Divinus Arma]

lol.

[Just A Girl]

You deserve an award for that comment. That is the best I have heard in a while.

No, it's a shade.

Lol i already told you Black is not a colour Colours Bounce back the light spectrum that matches there colour.
As black is not a colour it does not.
White technically Is a colour... But technically its ALL of them, so it bounces back all the spectrums of light and apears white.


And then i went on to say....

Atoms however exist.
Thats why they were able to split an atom.

i dont think youl find that they were able to Split god.

[Divinus Arma]

i dont think youl find that they were able to Split god.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

ahn han. Ya we can.

Ask my wife, I've given her at least half of God and then some.

[evil laugh] heh heh heh heh heh heh [/evil laugh]


edit: AND WHICH ONE ARE YOU DAG NABBITT?!?!? LET US KNOW IN YOUR POST SOMEHWERE SHAMBLES/JUSTAGIRL!!!!!!!!

[Strike For The South]

Hes Shambles His Posts Dont Make No Sense

[Just A Girl]

Now now StfS.
dont we have a truce :P?

and what dosent make any sence about my post lol?

Humans split the attom So thats evidence that attoms exist,

humans have only ever Beleved in god so no evidence there.


Also. About colour...

its true.
red things absorb all the other colours in the spectrum and only reflect the Red part of the light spectrum.
So you see it as red.

White is technically all colours' So it reflects all the colours in the spectrum Which as we know then becomes white.

And black, being the basence of any colour at all. Reflects no colours of the light spectrum back and there for is black.

[ajaxfetish]

The first post doesn't so much beg the question of whether Atheism is a faith as much as it asks whether science is a faith. Faith requires belief in something that has not or cannot be proven, and as such I would say that scientific explanation often requires faith, thouth it is significantly different than religion. (Science seeks to answer questions through attempted falsification, theoretical models, and Occam's Razor, Religion provides answers from metaphysical revelation and generally doesn't attempt their falsification.)

On a deeper level we all require faith to survive on a daily basis, believing in things such as cause and effect that are so central to every paradigm of existence that we probably couldn't even think of an objective way to conclusively test them.

(sorry for the vernacular )

Ajax

[Voigtkampf]

For example.
I beleve In the big bang.

So do I.

And I intend to reenact it tonight, up to five or six times.

And I will be as vernacular as I can possibly be.

And to top this all, I might even convert an atheist.

Oh, Gooooood…

[Viking]

Yes.

However "atheism", by definition(of my dictionary), is unbelief of God or deities. Unbelief simply means lack of belief.

Denial of God would be what the Romantics did in the 18th century (ie. Byron) for example.

Agnosticism is lack of belief, while atheism is the belief in/claim that no god exists. That`s what separates the two.

[Just A Girl]

not quite.
Its more like
Agnostics beleve that there may be something out there,
but wont comit to any thing.
And
atheists.
Beleve that there is no god.

[Viking]

not quite.
Its more like
Agnostics beleve that there may be something out there,
but wont comit to any thing.
And
atheists.
Beleve that there is no god.

Lets see..

Agnosticism is the philosophical view that the truth values of certain claims—particularly theological claims regarding the existence of God, gods, or deities—are unknown, inherently unknowable, or incoherent, and therefore, (some agnostics may go as far to say) irrelevant to life. The term and the related agnostic were coined by Thomas Henry Huxley in 1869, and are also used to describe those who are unconvinced or noncommittal about the existence of deities as well as other matters of religion. The word agnostic comes from the Greek a (without) and gnosis (knowledge). Agnosticism, focusing on what can be known, is an epistemological position (dealing with the nature and limits of human knowledge); while atheism and theism are ontological positions (a branch of metaphysics that deals with what types of entities exist).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism


I have read far from everything on that page, but the first sentences pretty much sums up my view.

[Just A Girl]

see this part?

also used to describe those who are unconvinced or noncommittal about the existence of deities as well as other matters of religion.

[Viking]

Nm.

[Don Corleone]

I think the word that's not quite registering there Viking is 'may'. Agnostics believe that there may be something out there, that is they allow for the possiblity. But they don't necessarily hold it to be true.

I very well may be irrestiably attractive to women of all ages, appearances and backgrounds, but even I find this idea strains the bounds of credibility.

[Watchman]

I tend to consider agnosticism the "I Don't Care Club" of religion.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

theist is greek for something along the lines of 'believes in god' and atheist is the anti- of that (i think) but i used atheists as in the people who believe most of what scientists say...

take this example... ages ago when HG Wells' war of the worlds became a radio production many people believed it to be real because they tuned in late but in a way is that a belief? because they had to rely upon the radio to inform them of what 'was' happening they didn't know if it was for real and yet they trusted in it much like we trust in what scientists say about how the universe is made up or how christians believe the stories of the bible and muslims the koran

[Viking]

I think the word that's not quite registering there Viking is 'may'. Agnostics believe that there may be something out there, that is they allow for the possiblity. But they don't necessarily hold it to be true.

I very well may be irrestiably attractive to women of all ages, appearances and backgrounds, but even I find this idea strains the bounds of credibility.

Er, yes, that`s correct...

I tend to consider agnosticism the "I Don't Care Club" of religion.

Yup, and that`s my personal stance too; I really don`t care.

[Just A Girl]

Why do Us non religious types seem to be so inclined to come discuss religion?

I my self tend to research religion a lot. And I tend to have debates with religious people,

I think that deep down subconsiously We are looking for that 1 person who can give us the faith they have.

yeah i know many will call this ludicrous.
And when i was younger (not that long ago either)
I would have said its ludicrous 2.

but as ive grown older I understand that people have there right to beleve what they like,
Without me telling them there wrong.

ovcourse i may argue that christians dont really follow the teachings of christ,
and I may state that I dont like How christianity came to be.
but thats not really attacking a religion, its just pointing out a fact.

Where as in the past I would have insulted People for their beliefs..
And what 4??
What gain is there 4 me??
And How would brain washing religous people in to beleving what i believe help them,

Having no faith Sux. (if you start thinking about stuff)
I beleve every 1 should be allowed to beleve what they beleve Without people sticking there noses in,

Of cours a rational debate About certain Aspects of religion Without actualy trying to destroy or belittle some 1s beleifs would be acceptable.

Well I guess im just banging on here .
And i was only taking a 5 min break any way
So im gonna go back to my work (nice to work from home)

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Black is the absence of white and since black = dark and white = light and light>dark therefore white>black

Lol I wouldn't be surprised if someone calls you racist for that. Good one though. You get props *gives SFTS props*

[Byzantine Prince]

Agnosticism is lack of belief, while atheism is the belief in/claim that no god exists. That`s what separates the two.

Hum, no. That is not right. Try again.

Rememeber that you can think of "apple" as meaning "of biting surface of molar" but that will not make it true. You have to study the semantics of the two words carefully and then figure out how to use them properly. I know it might be tough for a little kid but you should try.

[ajaxfetish]

Hum, no. That is not right. Try again.

Rememeber that you can think of "apple" as meaning "of biting surface of molar" but that will not make it true. You have to study the semantics of the two words carefully and then figure out how to use them properly. I know it might be tough for a little kid but you should try.

How exactly is Viking wrong?

Agnostic (a gnosos) = unknowing
Atheist (a theos) = no god

Agnosticism is more of a withholding of judgment, either saying one does not know or cannot know that God exists. Atheism is an assertion that God does not exist, so it makes a bold claim Agnosticism does not. Agnostics are sort of on the fence while Atheists and those who believe in God or a god or gods (Theists, I suppose) each make similar but opposite claims, and both require faith.

Ajax

[Just A Girl]

Hum, no. That is not right. Try again.

Rememeber that you can think of "apple" as meaning "of biting surface of molar" but that will not make it true. You have to study the semantics of the two words carefully and then figure out how to use them properly. I know it might be tough for a little kid but you should try.

We have already Discussed This And Pointed out where his asumption was slightly incorrect...

not quite.
Its more like
Agnostics beleve that there may be something out there,
but wont comit to any thing.
And
atheists.
Beleve that there is no god.

this was followed by A post of the definition of agnostic.
Followed by me disecting the Description.
The matter was resolved...

Lets moove on...

[Just A Girl]

HEY!!!

I just read That text Properly

Stop the Damn insults!
There Was no reason for Subtle. Snide remarks there.

And Thats Virtualy A personal attck.
= Major warning
= 2 points.

So stop it!

[KukriKhan]

Steady, Lads.

Meanwhile: If there is a supreme being, does she care what we think or don't think about her? And is the relationship between a god and men symbiotic; does each need the other to survive?

[GiantMonkeyMan]

i thought god was an 'it' not a she.... or it depends on who is worshiping i suppose and man doesn't need god but if i was god i would get pretty bored without some lowly beings worshipping me....

[Just A Girl]

i thought god was an 'it' not a she.... or it depends on who is worshiping i suppose and man doesn't need god but if i was god i would get pretty bored without some lowly beings worshipping me....

Well if there is a god,
what makes you think we are his number 1 prioraty?

For all you know Life here could have been a mistak "god" could have been playing about with some attoms 1 day. When they exploded and created the big band,
and then god ran way and went to do something els.
And pretends that That back room in the back of his house with the boarded up door does not exist.

[Brenus]

“i dont think youl find that they were able to Split god” No, but the Christian did. One God in three: The Father, the Son and Holly Ghost.
I am atheist. For me that means I have no answer and I accept there are things I can’t explain.

[Viking]

I know it might be tough for a little kid but you should try.

Okey, I will. Speaking of which you`re probably old enough to be my dad.

[Reenk Roink]

Okey, I will. Speaking of which you`re probably old enough to be my dad.

Viking: Ignore peoples like him...They like to criticize everything...