Secession of Quebec from Canada

[Krypta]

Why would Quebec have to consult Britain to leave Canada?

It doesn't, King Malcom is just being condescending . If he knew anything about Canada, he wouldnt make such routinely idiotic statements.

I was being serious...

Problem is nobody takes you seriously.

[Duke Malcolm]

No need to be so snappy, Krypta.
I simply thought that since it is British Acts of Parliament which unite all of Canada, these acts would have to be amended.

[Krypta]

No need to be so snappy, Krypta.
I simply thought that since it is British Acts of Parliament which unite all of Canada, these acts would have to be amended.

I think your mixing your centuries up. Canada hasn't had to consult Britain constitutionally on anything, for like 70 years man, you do realise this, right?

[lars573]

No need to be so snappy, Krypta.
I simply thought that since it is British Acts of Parliament which unite all of Canada, these acts would have to be amended.

I know you know but I'm gonna tell you anyway. That hasn't been true in almost 24 years. The amendments to the BNA in 1982 patriated the BNA. It removed the need to have all our acts of parliment approved by London before they recieved Royal accent from the GG. We were followed in this by New Zealand and Austrailia 5 or 6 years later.

No, it just means that our Conservatives focus on the important aspects of conservatism, and pay less attention to the silly ones

The Republicans (recently anyway) have discarded just about all of the solid economic principles which are important to real conservatives, and have made a point of focusing only on trying to instill as much Old Testament as possible into everyday life in America. Think how much more they could accomplish if they just stayed the hell out of peoples' bedrooms and library records, and focused on running the damn country properly.

While I can't say your wrong I will say that only the conservative who aren't from Alberta are as you say. Alliance people have the social ideas that is permiating the Republicans. Which is why I will never trust Harper as our PM.

[Duke Malcolm]

I know you know but I'm gonna tell you anyway. That hasn't been true in almost 24 years. The amendments to the BNA in 1982 patriated the BNA. It removed the need to have all our acts of parliment approved by London before they recieved Royal accent from the GG. We were followed in this by New Zealand and Austrailia 5 or 6 years later.

Thanks for clearing this little bit up for me. I knew the act in 1982 stopped the British government signing Acts of the Canadian Parliament and stopped the British parliament amending the British North America Act 1867 (although I don't think such a thing is constitutional in the UK...). I'm not entirely sure what patriated means, however. But there are other acts concerning Quebec being owned by the British, and concerning boundaries? The Union Act, I think... Or were these also patriated?

[InsaneApache]

Very interesting stuff.

Just a couple of queries.

If the Quebequoise do secede on a referendum would that still require the Queens assent?

If the above is possible would the 'rest' of Canada allow one of it's richest and developed provinces to leave?

If they don't feel inclined to, is there really a possibilty of civil war?

And last but not least. Having read posters from Canada, some type in English English and some in American English, which one is correct for Canada. ( My ££££s are on English English)

thnx.

[Beirut]

Very interesting stuff.

Just a couple of queries.

If the Quebequoise do secede on a referendum would that still require the Queens assent?

If the above is possible would the 'rest' of Canada allow one of it's richest and developed provinces to leave?

If they don't feel inclined to, is there really a possibilty of civil war?

And last but not least. Having read posters from Canada, some type in English English and some in American English, which one is correct for Canada. ( My ££££s are on English English)

thnx.

- No. At least not in any way that would have any relevance.

- Yes and no. The democratic right exists, but that right is interpreted differently by both parties. Quebec thinks it walks away with everything intact. The federal government does not.

- Yes and no. More widespread civil disobedience and unrest than actual war. But there would doubtlessly be shots fired somewhere. There are millions of people and millions of guns in this province and the issue is very emotional.

- English English. It is neighbour, not neighbor. And never, ever will it be nite or lite. It is night and light.

[InsaneApache]

Thanks Beirut.

[lars573]

Thanks for clearing this little bit up for me. I knew the act in 1982 stopped the British government signing Acts of the Canadian Parliament and stopped the British parliament amending the British North America Act 1867 (although I don't think such a thing is constitutional in the UK...). I'm not entirely sure what patriated means, however. But there are other acts concerning Quebec being owned by the British, and concerning boundaries? The Union Act, I think... Or were these also patriated?

I'm not entirely sure but I believe it means that in 1982 the BNA became the Canadian constitution. Those other acts on Quebec could be dealing with the city when it was taken by the Brits in 1759 (I need more details). Quebec the province didn't exist until 1867, neither did Ontario. In the 1860's when Sir John A MacDonald (a Scotman born and bred) drafted the BNA the 4 BNA provinces in this new union were Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Upper and Lower Canada, these were the French names for the territories that the Brits kept using. Canada however was the name chosen for the whole nation. So upper Canada became Ontario, and lower Canada Quebec (after the city). But as I said we didn't have our own constitution we just used yours until 1982.

[Duke Malcolm]

Ah, okay. The Quebec referred to before 1867 must be the entirety of New France, which the British took in at about 1760...

[lars573]

My north american history is spotty in some places but if I remember my junior high history New France was all the territories belonging to France in North america. Basically snaking along the St. Lawrence in the north through the great lakes and down the mississipi river to the delta. But usually the northern parts are Canada, the parts that are now the USA mid-west are New France and the Mississpi delta are Louisiana.

Many firsts for Europeans in the new world were French in what is now Canada. For example the first road and first social club were all built by the French in Acadia in like 1605.