When asking a question can get you killed

[Ice]

My goverment is full of class * **** ups. If they dont want to say anything about the money grant the interveiw and sidestep the questions. I mean these guys absouletly suck. FDR fooled the whole nation to think he could walk and these cant even cover up lost money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a new low. My goverment has stopped trying





/edit: complete asterisks to replace partial asterisks

SFTS, don't try not to brainwashed to much here. I gurantee you every existing government in the world today isn't perfect. Mistakes happen everywhere, regardless of what people say.

[Strike For The South]

SFTS, don't try not to brainwashed to much here. I gurantee you every existing government in the world today isn't perfect. Mistakes happen everywhere, regardless of what people say.

Huh? Being perfect and going into a journalist residence and trying to play KGB are two diffrent things. If the goverment dosent want to answer his questions than side step them. The man was a journalist doing his job. Hell they couldve even gone for the thats classifed routine. The Antics they pulled have no place in the American goverment

[Samurai Waki]

Ladies and Gentlemen I announce to you: The Oil Wars. Where Governments play with billion dollar commodities like they are a part of rival mafia's. When someone knows something you don't want them to know, you either extort them for millions of dollars, or whack em'. If this is the way things are gonna be, I think I'll go with the best of the Crime Lords and vote for Don Corleone as the next President.

[Ice]

Huh? Being perfect and going into a journalist residence and trying to play KGB are two diffrent things. If the goverment dosent want to answer his questions than side step them. The man was a journalist doing his job. Hell they couldve even gone for the thats classifed routine. The Antics they pulled have no place in the American goverment

By the sound of it, it's only a couple of people in on this. The highly doubt the entire federal government knew and sponsered this raid. My point was, that there are bad people everywhere, and it isn't just in the US. I guess I'm just tired of everyone complaining about how corrupt the US is, when in fact it really isnt that bad.

[Zalmoxis]

The joys of dictatorships are so plentiful and diverse, enjoy.

[AntiochusIII]

The joys of dictatorships are so plentiful and diverse, enjoy.

:cheers:

Thank you, come again.

You *do* know who put the concept "military-industrial complex" into common circulation, do you...?

I don't.

Yes it may not be that bad but its still much worse than it should be in America. Just becuase were better than Iran or El Salvador with freedom dosent mean jack to me. We should be the best and currently were not. If this reporter found something out it is his duty to report it wether it looks bad on the goverment or not. Im sick of a few under fed overbearded people dictating American policy back home. We will never get rid of terrorism someone will always get pissed or snort the pages of there holy book. We have to learn how to deal with it, not take away god given rights. Im not willing to trade liberty for the sense and illusion of securety. If that makes me hate freedom or hate America so be it but its a sad day when my fellow countrymen are condoning this act facism.

Why do you hate freedom? Do you love America?

Commie Bastard

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I don't know anything factual yet, but this smells very fishy. Shooting into a journalist residence, storms in and take a video tape? As much as I wish it'll be either mistake or the guy's really an insurgent, the scene points out to good ol' censorship and media intimidation. And that is not good. Whatever happens to freedom.

[Watchman]

I don't.

The incumbent president around the time the Cold War got going in his retirement speech, that's who. His speechwriters actually nicked it from I think an obscure British theorist - I can check the names if you want to.

[Redleg]

Originally Posted by Watchman
You *do* know who put the concept "military-industrial complex" into common circulation, do you...?

I believe the individual's name is Dwight D. Eisenhower

[Adrian II]

The incumbent president around the time the Cold War got going in his retirement speech, that's who. His speechwriters actually nicked it from I think an obscure British theorist - I can check the names if you want to.

'This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.'

Dwight Eisenhower, Farewell Address, January 17, 1961

The term originally inserted by speech writers Williams and Moos was 'military–industrial–congressional complex', but Eisenhower's science advisor thought that was too East Coast.

However, that stuff is all publicly accessible and easy to find. But who was the Brit?

[Strike For The South]

By the sound of it, it's only a couple of people in on this. The highly doubt the entire federal government knew and sponsered this raid. My point was, that there are bad people everywhere, and it isn't just in the US. I guess I'm just tired of everyone complaining about how corrupt the US is, when in fact it really isnt that bad.

Yes it may not be that bad but its still much worse than it should be in America. Just becuase were better than Iran or El Salvador with freedom dosent mean jack to me. We should be the best and currently were not. If this reporter found something out it is his duty to report it wether it looks bad on the goverment or not. Im sick of a few under fed overbearded people dictating American policy back home. We will never get rid of terrorism someone will always get pissed or snort the pages of there holy book. We have to learn how to deal with it, not take away god given rights. Im not willing to trade liberty for the sense and illusion of securety. If that makes me hate freedom or hate America so be it but its a sad day when my fellow countrymen are condoning this act facism.

[Xiahou]

SFTS, don't try not to brainwashed to much here. I gurantee you every existing government in the world today isn't perfect. Mistakes happen everywhere, regardless of what people say.

Frankly, there's scant little information about this story- try googling it. Zilch about it in the American media... What is out there on the net seems to all be based on the original Guardian story. Sorry, that's not enough information for me to make an informed comment on.

[Tribesman]

Zilch about it in the American media...
That must be another example of the damned liberal media bias then
Anyway what was he bothering to research the corrution and mismanagement for , it is already pretty well documented .

[Xiahou]

That must be another example of the damned liberal media bias then

Well, to be honest, the lack of coverage does seem suspicious. If we know anything about our media, it's that they seldom pass up a story critical of the administration.

[solypsist]

Well, to be honest, the lack of coverage does seem suspicious. If we know anything about our media, it's that they seldom pass up a story critical of the administration.

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[Crazed Rabbit]

Your first example was the NYT withholding a story until it could do the most damage (Patriot Act renewal).

Your second seems to be a plain smear of FNC.

And I'm still wondering what the actual situation is when asking a question can get you killed.

Crazed Rabbit

[solypsist]

can get you killed - not did get you killed. something about army guys using explosives and firing off weapons blindly while journalists and their families are in their beds definitely puts this in a can kill situation.

1. the only reason the nyt printed that story was because (did u read the article?) the reporter was going forward with the story in his book anyway and they didnt want to get totally scooped.

3. for a "smear" there sure a lot of quotes and facts to back up the assertion of being biased towards the current administration.

both examples show how the media are pro-actively not reporting everything, thus this story not making it to the american media (the reporter was working for a british publication)

knee-jerk partisan hackery doesnt make the story any less true.

[Xiahou]

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Oh man! I just got pwned!
I'd go find all the links to show the opposite, but hey- I only have another 40-50yrs left to live.
Besides, it's immaterial my point that it's not being covered anywhere except by the Guardian.

can get you killed - not did get you killed. something about army guys using explosives and firing off weapons blindly while journalists and their families are in their beds definitely puts this in a can kill situation.

Yeah, that's what further creates suspicion. Someone tell me, when clearing a house, is it standard practice for the US military to blindly pop off rounds into each room you enter? I'm pretty sure that's not in the manual.

both examples show how the media are pro-actively not reporting everything, thus this story not making it to the american media (the reporter was working for a british publication)

Can you even find it in a major British paper other than the Guardian?

[English assassin]

I realise this is difficult for some to accept, but whereas the Guardian does have a soft left editorial stance, that does NOT mean that it is in the habit of making facts up or running unchecked stories.

Just my advice but I wouldn't bank on the "it never happened" defence.

And as of today I am officially no longer amazed that certain factions seem to see nothing wrong in American troops behaving like imperial stormtroopers, that is unless the caveats that "If this did happen it raises the most serious questions about the regime we live under" went without saying in some the posts above. SFTS gets the "real American values" award in ths thread.

(Factoid: In only three of the past 51 years has American military spending as a % of GDP been higher than it is this year. And yet, ironically, America both has no militarily capable enemies at all, (and so should be spending less) and yet STILL lacks the military capability to engage countries posing a moderate threat to her interests, Iran, North Korea, and so isn't even getting value for the billions she does spend. Is the military the most inefficient public sector organisation in the US?)