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    Did the big bang happen? i know its the accepted theory for the creation of the universe but ive found an interesting site that though creationist has some interesting scientific problems with this theory

    http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclo...s%20Big%20Bang

    Im not professing to have found evidense that the big bang didn't happen the site just looks interesting

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    though i totally disagree with creationism, i really could never grasp the big bang. i've delved into astonomical sciences and hsve been interested , quantum theory, einstein, multiple universes via quantum forms, and i have tried and many times succeeded in graspin these theorys and understanding them but the biug bang always seemed wrong to me, way to simple but its not like anyone has anything contrary...other than god...which is a load o crap.
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    the site has more, it does apear quite genuine and not a load of creationist nutters as i first thought.

    Edit here is an interesting quote from the same site:

    [QUOTE/] Why is our earth and the other planets full of the heavier elements, whereas the stars are not? This is a mystery the Big Bang theory cannot explain.

    "Apart from hydrogen and helium, all other elements are extremely rare, all over the universe. In the sun they [the heavier elements] amount to only about one percent of the total mass . . The contrast [of the sun's light elements with the heavy ones found on earth] brings out two important points.

    "First, we see that material torn from the sun would not be at all suitable for the formation of the planets as we know them. Its composition would be hopelessly wrong. And our second point in this contrast is that it is the sun that is normal and the earth that is the freak. The interstellar gas and most of the stars are composed of material like the sun, not like the earth. You must understand that, cosmically speaking, the room you are now sitting in is made of the wrong stuff. You yourself are a rarity. You are a cosmic collector's piece." —*Fred C. Hoyle, Harper's Magazine, April 1951, p. 64. [QUOTE]
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    there correct about the rarity of our elements but that can be explained, there should be 10 planets, but one has yet to be formed... its the asteroid belt, there are just as many elements concentrate din that belt as ther is in 2 earths, why do these two element rich areas form where they do? well we are close to the sun, enough so to keep us in orbit where the elements will not be broken up, and the asteroid belt is in the shadow of jupiter. gravity draws the denser matter into clumps which is drawn to the larger parts of the soplar system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by master of the puppets
    there correct about the rarity of our elements but that can be explained, there should be 10 planets, but one has yet to be formed... its the asteroid belt, there are just as many elements concentrate din that belt as ther is in 2 earths, why do these two element rich areas form where they do? well we are close to the sun, enough so to keep us in orbit where the elements will not be broken up, and the asteroid belt is in the shadow of jupiter. gravity draws the denser matter into clumps which is drawn to the larger parts of the soplar system.
    The Asteriod Belt was stopped in becoming a planet early on by Jupiter's enormous gravitational pull on it, it was more than enough to keep the asteroids orbiting the sun,so for it to form a planet (or two) jupiter would have to be farther away enough for the gravity to have no effect
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    Probably. There are some respectable scientists who disagree with it for a number of valid reasons. Once I had the privilege of attending a lecture by John Dobson, inventor of the Dobsonian telescope, who listed several flaws with the Big Bang, and supports a steady statet universe.

    Nonetheless, I still believe in the Big Bang, though I have not extensively studied it.

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    Umm, in 1951 Fred Hoyle was pushing a steady state theory, and absolutely key evidence for the big bang (eg the cosmic background radiation) had not even been discovered (and wouldn't be until 1965). If they can't come up with something better than that...

    More fundamentally I refuse to engage with sites that argue thus: If I can find one issue which your model does not explain, then your model is wrong, and my model wins by default.

    On the other hand people who find problems with models AND put forward their own model which has fewer problems have my full attention.
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    This link is really irritating. Some of the assertions are nonsense (for example #1); some show a complete misunderstanding of basic science (for example #3); others apply classical physics to a system that can only be analysed using general relativity and quantum mechanids (for example #4); others merely repeat the same nonsense as a previous point (#6 and #7 are the same wrong idea); a very few identify genuine difficulties with the theory that physicists are working to solve (for example #37)

    The whole premise of the article is that the big bang theory was invented by godless people to hoodwink others. Once you read that, you know how many pinches of salt to take with what you read.
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