That´s the way I use them, charge them in and let it hackout with their maces. By the way, if you charge them in with Alt pressed, they will use their lances for the charge (including the higher charge bonus) and the maces for the melee.
Re: Cataphracts in R: TW.
That´s the way I use them, charge them in and let it hackout with their maces. By the way, if you charge them in with Alt pressed, they will use their lances for the charge (including the higher charge bonus) and the maces for the melee.
Re: Cataphracts in R: TW.
Roman cavalry have similar stats in their secondary weapons also. I didn't realise it until looking at the export file because soulflame's unitguide didn't list them.
Re: Cataphracts in R: TW.
Most heavy cavalry and a fair few of the others have a second weapon besides their default lance/spear, nigh invariably with a higher base attack value but lower charge bonus. The idea is obviously to use the main weapon for charging and then draw the sword, mace or whatever for the melee. Given that alt-attack results in the cavalry charging with their lances and switching to the secondary weapon after a moment, I'm guessing it tells them to put the spears away once the charge value bonus has been exhausted.
I tend to press alt-attack even with light cavalry that lack secondary weapons, purely out of habit.
Alt-attack is also how you make missile troops melee, although you probably knew that. Quite useful when you want your horse-archers to run routers down and not waste arrows on them, or need your chariot archers in the rear of the enemy phalanx *now*. Although with elephants (whose default attack is to charge in and stomp) alt-attack means "stand and shoot" instead...
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Re: Cataphracts in R: TW.
The old R:TW cataphract really is the best of both worlds — A spear for charging and a mace for up-close work. It was like having a BI cataphact and a clibenari all in one.
Last edited by Doug-Thompson; 01-19-2006 at 15:56.
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Re: Cataphracts in R: TW.
I dunno, I found the Sassanid Clibs to be the most overall ubar. It's the damn bows that do it. Those buggers have so much armour they can just sit there and shoot to pieces anything that'd run away from them if they tried to close in and bash their skulls. I consider them the *real* tanks in the RTW scene - they've got guns too, after all. They double nicely as ridiculously arrow-resilient archers; I've seen Comitatenses caper uncertainly around in front of a few, and had they been any *normal* sort of archers the Commies would no doubt have been coming on like a public prosecutor...
The original Catas are nice with spears and all, but I don't really think the higher charge bonus makes that much difference. Not compared to the all-around usefulness of the bow, which also makes raking up exp depressingly easy.
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Re: Cataphracts in R: TW.
Well, yeah. I was referring to the comparison between clibs and catas. Overall unit-wise, then you're right. You can get arrow-shooting catas in R:TW but you have to mod the game to make Armenia and Pontis playable.
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Re: Cataphracts in R: TW.
Sassanids get both Clibs and Catas too. Their Clibs just happen to be a bit different from the ERE Equites Clibanarii (who if I recall correctly have shields, but no bows).
Pontus doesn't get Catas, nevermind Cata Archers (Armenians have a monopoly on those AFAIK). Not on default settings anyway. Cappadocians are a sort of poor man's BI Cataphract.
Last edited by Watchman; 01-19-2006 at 17:41.
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