Intelligent Design is not science

[Reenk Roink]

I am happy for Christianity to hear the Vatican doesn't support this strange notion.

In the Qur'an, God' names is The Creator. He is also named something translatable as The Evolver. It also mentions His creating man in "diverse stages", and that nature is filled with "signs for those possesed of minds" and yet we still have some Muslim creationists.

What the attraction is I don't know. Do they think the TVs in their living room were put there by God without any natural mechanism? It's like they just want God to do everything for them. Probably these beliefs are the result of lazy preachers who don't read thoroughly, the same source of the stupidities done in the name of Islam.

I wonder if there are Jewish creationists? Rabbis seem in general more scholarly and knowledgable in terms of language than the sort of preachers who support creationism, so I would tend to doubt it.

My sister is a convert to Islam and a muslim creationist .

[Tribesman]

My Favorite ID discussion was about the dinosaurs the so called "Steve Martin Theory" where god put bones into the earth to trick humans into believing that there are demons, just because hes a wild and crazy guy.

Anyone read the Pratcett book where some "creators" got in a little trouble by adding digital watches and stop nuclear testing signs into the fossil deposits .

[BDC]

My Favorite ID discussion was about the dinosaurs the so called "Steve Martin Theory" where god put bones into the earth to trick humans into believing that there are demons, just because hes a wild and crazy guy.

Anyone read the Pratcett book where some "creators" got in a little trouble by adding digital watches and stop nuclear testing signs into the fossil deposits .

Yeah, great story.

In one of his Discworld novels the Discworld's natural life all comes from a sandwhich that Rincewind drops after the Creator gives it to him.

[Kralizec]

I finished reading The Light Fantastic...Pratchett has some weird imagination

[ah_dut]

Oh joy, the Vatican starts getting it's act together as regards science

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Oh joy, the Vatican starts getting it's act together as regards science

I think the Vatican has you all a bit hoodwinked. They believe that evolution was created by god as do most Americans and I would venture most people in the world. Now if your speaking of the radical ID position then of course you are correct. But dont go around thinking the Catholic Church doesnt believe and teach everything in the Universe was created by god.

[BDC]

I think the Vatican has you all a bit hoodwinked. They believe that evolution was created by god as do most Americans and I would venture most people in the world. Now if your speaking of the radical ID position then of course you are correct. But dont go around thinking the Catholic Church doesnt believe and teach everything in the Universe was created by god.

Of course they believe everything was made by God. That's their job, literally.

They just have no issues with evolution, and don't regard ID as science. It's not.

I don't think God or the creator or whatever actually has to create evolution as such. You stick some viral RNA and an appropriate enzyme in a test tube in the appropriate medium, then take a few drops into the next test tube and so forth, passing small amounts along a long line of tubes. You end up with some RNA which is really good at infecting test tubes, but really bad as a virus.

[BDC]

I think the Vatican has you all a bit hoodwinked. They believe that evolution was created by god as do most Americans and I would venture most people in the world. Now if your speaking of the radical ID position then of course you are correct. But dont go around thinking the Catholic Church doesnt believe and teach everything in the Universe was created by god.

Of course they believe everything was made by God. That's their job, literally.

They just have no issues with evolution, and don't regard ID as science. It's not.

I don't think God or the creator or whatever actually has to create evolution as such. You stick some viral RNA and an appropriate enzyme in a test tube in the appropriate medium, then take a few drops into the next test tube and so forth, passing small amounts along a long line of tubes. You end up with some RNA which is really good at infecting test tubes, but really bad as a virus.

[Abdel Hakam]

My sister is a convert to Islam and a muslim creationist .

To Reenk Roink,

Congratulations to her!!

But seriously, if she has these beliefs, probably it's her masjid (mosque) and not really her fault. There is only one masjid where I live right now, and it's not so good so I just pray by myself most of the time. I have never been to a masjid I like in the West. Most Islamic institutions in the west are far more "fundamentalist" than those I know from Syria for some reason. Although I think the "fundamentalists" actually excell at abandoning or ignoring the fundamentals of Islam, and I would rather call them innovative liberals!

People in the West consider me a liberal Muslim, but everything I believe in is from the Qur'an and Sunnah. There are a lot of tricks for power hungry imams possible with a semitic language, where context is very important and words can have dozens of meanings. Beware of translations!!

I would suggest your sister, in accordance with the Qur'an, listen less to the clerics and study classical Arabic so she can read and understand the religion herself. It is between her and Allah and no one should tell her what the Qur'an means. They should only explain the FULL definitions of words and offer opinions and suggest possibilities. Feel free to give her my email address:

a_h_mubarak@yahoo.com

There are LOTS of traps for converts to fall into, so if you are worried I can give her advice on alternative Imams, scholars of law, and ways to approach the Qur'an. There are forms of Islam that are and have always been very progressive and allow actual thought!!

May everyone forgive this rather off-topic rant but I hate to see people be mislead by humans in the name of Allah.