Intelligent Design is not science

[BDC]

Even according to the Vatican:

"Intelligent design does not belong to science and there is no justification for the demand it be taught as a scientific theory alongside the Darwinian explanation," said the article in the Tuesday edition of [the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano].



http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...-EVOLUTION.xml

[InsaneApache]

That's alright then.

[master of the puppets]

absolutely true, it has no science, there is no details or reason in how got did it, merely "god wanted a bunch o craphead humans runnin about and so it was" there is NO science like that.

[scotchedpommes]

Surprisingly, something relatively positive.
Though it's unlikely to sway the mobs of the 'faithful'.

[solypsist]

too bad it's not the the catholics that want ID taught in schools. last time i checked, the majority of conservative christians didn't take their cues from the pope.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

i used to live near some Plimouth Bretheren who hold the same belief, but I, like most christians accept evolution as a tool used by god. If the parents want their children to be taught the ''theory'' they should teach it to them themselves, i can't help but feel that instead they want ID taught alongside Evolution in order to stengthen their arguments against it.

[Abdel Hakam]

I am happy for Christianity to hear the Vatican doesn't support this strange notion.

In the Qur'an, God' names is The Creator. He is also named something translatable as The Evolver. It also mentions His creating man in "diverse stages", and that nature is filled with "signs for those possesed of minds" and yet we still have some Muslim creationists.

What the attraction is I don't know. Do they think the TVs in their living room were put there by God without any natural mechanism? It's like they just want God to do everything for them. Probably these beliefs are the result of lazy preachers who don't read thoroughly, the same source of the stupidities done in the name of Islam.

I wonder if there are Jewish creationists? Rabbis seem in general more scholarly and knowledgable in terms of language than the sort of preachers who support creationism, so I would tend to doubt it.

[Samurai Waki]

There are many people in this world that have a very low, and self indulgent opinion of god.

My Favorite ID discussion was about the dinosaurs the so called "Steve Martin Theory" where god put bones into the earth to trick humans into believing that there are demons, just because hes a wild and crazy guy.

[Sheep]

Intelligent design is to science what atheism is to religion. Anathema.


Besides, everyone knows the Earth was actually created in a designer planet factory on the orders of a giant computer and some mice in order to calculate the Answer to the Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.

[Reenk Roink]

I am happy for Christianity to hear the Vatican doesn't support this strange notion.

In the Qur'an, God' names is The Creator. He is also named something translatable as The Evolver. It also mentions His creating man in "diverse stages", and that nature is filled with "signs for those possesed of minds" and yet we still have some Muslim creationists.

What the attraction is I don't know. Do they think the TVs in their living room were put there by God without any natural mechanism? It's like they just want God to do everything for them. Probably these beliefs are the result of lazy preachers who don't read thoroughly, the same source of the stupidities done in the name of Islam.

I wonder if there are Jewish creationists? Rabbis seem in general more scholarly and knowledgable in terms of language than the sort of preachers who support creationism, so I would tend to doubt it.

My sister is a convert to Islam and a muslim creationist .

[Tribesman]

My Favorite ID discussion was about the dinosaurs the so called "Steve Martin Theory" where god put bones into the earth to trick humans into believing that there are demons, just because hes a wild and crazy guy.

Anyone read the Pratcett book where some "creators" got in a little trouble by adding digital watches and stop nuclear testing signs into the fossil deposits .

[BDC]

My Favorite ID discussion was about the dinosaurs the so called "Steve Martin Theory" where god put bones into the earth to trick humans into believing that there are demons, just because hes a wild and crazy guy.

Anyone read the Pratcett book where some "creators" got in a little trouble by adding digital watches and stop nuclear testing signs into the fossil deposits .

Yeah, great story.

In one of his Discworld novels the Discworld's natural life all comes from a sandwhich that Rincewind drops after the Creator gives it to him.

[Kralizec]

I finished reading The Light Fantastic...Pratchett has some weird imagination

[ah_dut]

Oh joy, the Vatican starts getting it's act together as regards science

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Oh joy, the Vatican starts getting it's act together as regards science

I think the Vatican has you all a bit hoodwinked. They believe that evolution was created by god as do most Americans and I would venture most people in the world. Now if your speaking of the radical ID position then of course you are correct. But dont go around thinking the Catholic Church doesnt believe and teach everything in the Universe was created by god.

[BDC]

I think the Vatican has you all a bit hoodwinked. They believe that evolution was created by god as do most Americans and I would venture most people in the world. Now if your speaking of the radical ID position then of course you are correct. But dont go around thinking the Catholic Church doesnt believe and teach everything in the Universe was created by god.

Of course they believe everything was made by God. That's their job, literally.

They just have no issues with evolution, and don't regard ID as science. It's not.

I don't think God or the creator or whatever actually has to create evolution as such. You stick some viral RNA and an appropriate enzyme in a test tube in the appropriate medium, then take a few drops into the next test tube and so forth, passing small amounts along a long line of tubes. You end up with some RNA which is really good at infecting test tubes, but really bad as a virus.

[BDC]

I think the Vatican has you all a bit hoodwinked. They believe that evolution was created by god as do most Americans and I would venture most people in the world. Now if your speaking of the radical ID position then of course you are correct. But dont go around thinking the Catholic Church doesnt believe and teach everything in the Universe was created by god.

Of course they believe everything was made by God. That's their job, literally.

They just have no issues with evolution, and don't regard ID as science. It's not.

I don't think God or the creator or whatever actually has to create evolution as such. You stick some viral RNA and an appropriate enzyme in a test tube in the appropriate medium, then take a few drops into the next test tube and so forth, passing small amounts along a long line of tubes. You end up with some RNA which is really good at infecting test tubes, but really bad as a virus.

[Reenk Roink]

Actually, I'm not too sure about most accepting evolution, at least here in America:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in657083.shtml

"Americans do not believe that humans evolved, and the vast majority says that even if they evolved, God guided the process. Just 13 percent say that God was not involved. But most would not substitute the teaching of creationism for the teaching of evolution in public schools.

Support for evolution is more heavily concentrated among those with more education and among those who attend religious services rarely or not at all.

There are also differences between voters who supported Kerry and those who supported Bush: 47 percent of John Kerry’s voters think God created humans as they are now, compared with 67 percent of Bush voters."

I don't know of the reliability of this poll, and the Bush/Kerry thing seems odd to me, but it does clearly show that the nation is divided on the issue...

[ajaxfetish]

too bad it's not the the catholics that want ID taught in schools. last time i checked, the majority of conservative christians didn't take their cues from the pope.

Exactly. The Vatican (at least under John Paul 2) is actually quite open to evolution and science in general. I don't know if that will stay the same under Benedict, but they have nothing to do with the introduction of ID theory and no reason to support it.

Personally I have no problem with ID being taught in a religion course as long as it is kept out of science classes. I might even accept its teaching in a science course as long as Flying Spaghetti Monsterism was taught right alongside it.

Ajax

[Navaros]

This just goes to further prove that the Catholic Church is an Apostate Church with zero credibility. It does not represent God, Jesus, or anything that is Holy. In fact it has committed the one unforgivable sin with it's ludicrous pro-evoution propaganda: committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit by saying that the Word of God is a lie.

[InsaneApache]

May they all burn in hell...that's after they've been stoned for heresy....

[Papewaio]

This just goes to further prove that the Catholic Church is an Apostate Church with zero credibility. It does not represent God, Jesus, or anything that is Holy. In fact it has committed the one unforgivable sin with it's ludicrous pro-evoution propaganda: committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit by saying that the Word of God is a lie.

God is a being of light, truth and love... hardly make sense for such a being to lie or create a web of lies.

Are you saying that God doesn't have the capacity to create a Universe that will evolve creatures that seek Him out?

[Navaros]

Are you saying that God doesn't have the capacity to create a Universe that will evolve creatures that seek Him out?

Your question is a moot point because that is not what God did and the Bible is very explicitly clear about that.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Coming from the same Pope who said Evolution doesn't conflict with Genesis...yeah right.

[Kralizec]

Nav: are you saying God isn't capable of writing up stories just to make fun of people like you?

[Papewaio]

Your question is a moot point because that is not what God did and the Bible is very explicitly clear about that.

Are you sure?

I thought in Genesis God created light, water and land.

Then He created plants, then animals, the last created was man.

According to evolution first came the lower order plants, then animals, the latest to evolve was man.

Surely a Divine being could have loaded the dice from time to time?

[Reenk Roink]

I smell a creation/evolution debate...

[Papewaio]

Nope I just farted.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Nope I just farted.

And the evolution side dissipates thanks to Air Conditioning.

[LordElrond]

A creationism/evolution debate is what it will boil down to. Since there has been so much controversy over this. I find that just teaching one theory in public schools about how we came into being is not as balanced as it should be. ID is the next closest solid idea as it were. And when the debate erupted between them, the weakest points being picked apart from each of them. With ID, that being the religious aspect.

(I'm trying to not let my personal beliefs affect an attempted rational post.)