Also, ID and creationism are actually different ideas, when looked at closer.
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Also, ID and creationism are actually different ideas, when looked at closer.
Originally Posted by khelvan
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This just goes to further prove that the Catholic Church is an Apostate Church with zero credibility. It does not represent God, Jesus, or anything that is Holy. In fact it has committed the one unforgivable sin with it's ludicrous pro-evoution propaganda: committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit by saying that the Word of God is a lie
With the change of one or two words that statement could becoming straight from the taliban ministry of moralty .
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I disagree with this statement completely.
Our Apostolic tradition is unbroken and directly linked to Peter, hence to Jesus himself.
Holy Mother Church does not "represent" God or Jesus or the Spirit -- the almighty does not require such. It is an embodiment of that Spirit and a shared community of faith in the redemption given us through Christ's death and ressurection.
At no point has the Church called the Word of God a lie, and re-affirms regularly its belief in the spiritual power of that Word.
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Ive honestly stopped caring
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But the core idea is the same: God created us. And since "God" is never a scientific concept, either of those don't deserve a place in a scientific classroom.
It was a non-issue until the fundies push their agenda down our throats.
Navaros, vainglorious posts as usual.
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To Reenk Roink,My sister is a convert to Islam and a muslim creationist.
Congratulations to her!!
But seriously, if she has these beliefs, probably it's her masjid (mosque) and not really her fault. There is only one masjid where I live right now, and it's not so good so I just pray by myself most of the time. I have never been to a masjid I like in the West. Most Islamic institutions in the west are far more "fundamentalist" than those I know from Syria for some reason. Although I think the "fundamentalists" actually excell at abandoning or ignoring the fundamentals of Islam, and I would rather call them innovative liberals!
People in the West consider me a liberal Muslim, but everything I believe in is from the Qur'an and Sunnah. There are a lot of tricks for power hungry imams possible with a semitic language, where context is very important and words can have dozens of meanings. Beware of translations!!
I would suggest your sister, in accordance with the Qur'an, listen less to the clerics and study classical Arabic so she can read and understand the religion herself. It is between her and Allah and no one should tell her what the Qur'an means. They should only explain the FULL definitions of words and offer opinions and suggest possibilities. Feel free to give her my email address:
a_h_mubarak@yahoo.com
There are LOTS of traps for converts to fall into, so if you are worried I can give her advice on alternative Imams, scholars of law, and ways to approach the Qur'an. There are forms of Islam that are and have always been very progressive and allow actual thought!!
May everyone forgive this rather off-topic rant but I hate to see people be mislead by humans in the name of Allah.
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Genesis is very open to interpretation, and gets the order of species evolving right as well as the beggining of the univiverse.
Personnally i think god is clever and powerful enough to create the world and us through evolution, haveing created a universe that would bring about life on earth. he is after all omnipitant!
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Right... creationists believe all life was created by God, and ID theorists believe all life was created by some mysterious unnamed intelligence, possibly God if that's your fancy.
ID is simply creationism using carefully chosen neutral science-y language. It's politically correct creationism.
ID says that some biological systems are too complex to have evolved on their own, so they must have been designed. Unsurprisingly, they have yet to actually identify such a system. The ironic thing is that every time they think they have, all they have done is provide a target for future research which inevitably ends up discovering that the complexity is not so irreducible after all. In fact, the only way 'irreducible complexity' remains irreducible is if nobody researches it... which is exactly what ID theorists are shooting for. ID theory basically is asking scientists to run up the white flag, stop looking for answers in nature, and just accept a supernatural explanation. It's not science. In fact it's anti-science.
How do you figure? You think our species was the most recent species to evolve?
Last edited by Sheep; 01-24-2006 at 19:20.
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Not according to Creationists. Creating a world things work in was far too hard, so he cheated.
The heathens.
:)
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Just to liven this one up again, looks like us backwoods yokels here in the US aren't the only ones dissing evolution.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4648598.stm
I had no idea this disease had spread across the pond...
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course not, but most sprecies were before us and we are quite a young species arn't we?
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You evolutionists are just like creationists.
Still, it is surprising, I heard that the peoples back in the old continent didn't even go to church anymore...
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I would like to point out that a third of Britain fails their GCSEs, which is quite an impressive act when you it was recently pointed out that a pass (A to C grade) in English didn't actually mean you were functionarily literate.
Which is probably why referendums don't happen here much.
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wow....someone figured out that the creationist "fairytales" aren´t science?????
whoever came to this realization is amazing.......he is:
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