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    Default Re: Can I buy a Command Star?

    Yes conditions differ and are more severe.

    But from the plus side, conditions in 1.6 are relaxed a bit compared to 1.4 version.

    Just for the find here is the list of relevant triggers:

    Code:
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0010_Standard_Battle_Attacker_Crushing_Victory_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = crushing
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds >= 0.5
              and BattleOdds < 1.2
    
        Affects GoodAttacker  2  Chance  90 
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  100 
        Affects InspiringSpeaker  1  Chance  6 
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  10 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0020_Standard_Battle_Attacker_Crushing_Loss_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and not WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = crushing
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds >= 0.7
    
        Affects BadAttacker  2  Chance  95 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  100 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0030_Standard_Battle_Defender_Crushing_Victory_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition not WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = crushing
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds >= 0.5
              and BattleOdds < 1.2
    
        Affects GoodDefender  2  Chance  95 
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  100 
        Affects InspiringSpeaker  1  Chance  6 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0040_Standard_Battle_Defender_Crushing_Loss_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition not WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and not WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = crushing
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds >= 0.7
    
        Affects BadDefender  2  Chance  95 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  100 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0050_Standard_Battle_Attacker_Clear_Victory_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = clear
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds >= 0.5
              and BattleOdds < 1.2
    
        Affects GoodAttacker  1  Chance  90 
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  50 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0060_Standard_Battle_Attacker_Clear_Loss_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and not WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = clear
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds >= 0.7
    
        Affects BadAttacker  1  Chance  95 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  50 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0070_Standard_Battle_Defender_Clear_Victory_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition not WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = clear
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds >= 0.5
              and BattleOdds < 1.2
    
        Affects GoodDefender  1  Chance  95 
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  33 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0080_Standard_Battle_Defender_Clear_Loss_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition not WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and not WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = clear
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds >= 0.7
    
        Affects BadDefender  1  Chance  95 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  50 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger crushing_victory_for_sub4_general_4BIpatch
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = crushing
              and BattleOdds >= 1.2
              and BattleOdds < 2.1
              and GeneralNumKillsInBattle > 2
              and Attribute Command < 4
    
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  100 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger clear_victory_for_sub4_general_4BIpatch
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = clear
              and BattleOdds >= 1.2
              and BattleOdds < 1.9
              and Attribute Command < 4
              and GeneralNumKillsInBattle > 2
    
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  33 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger crushing_other_victory_4BIpatch
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = crushing
              and BattleOdds < 1.2
              and not I_ConflictType Normal
    
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  100 
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  10 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger clear_other_victory_for_4BIpatch
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = clear
              and BattleOdds < 1.2
              and not I_ConflictType Normal
    
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  33 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0090_Standard_Battle_Any_Victory_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleOdds < 1.2
    
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  25 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0100_Standard_Battle_Any_Loss_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition IsGeneral
              and not WonBattle
              and BattleOdds > 1.3
    
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  66 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0110_Standard_Risky_Battle_Attacker_Clear_Victory_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess >= clear
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds < 0.5
              and BattleOdds > 0.16
    
        Affects GoodRiskyAttacker  1  Chance  100 
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  100 
        Affects InspiringSpeaker  1  Chance  15 
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  33 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0120_Standard_Risky_Battle_Attacker_Clear_Loss_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and not WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = crushing
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds < 0.7
              and BattleOdds > 0.16
    
        Affects BadRiskyAttacker  1  Chance  100 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  10 
        Affects GloriousFool  1  Chance  100 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0130_Standard_Risky_Battle_Defender_Clear_Victory_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition not WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = crushing
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds < 0.5
              and BattleOdds > 0.16
    
        Affects GoodRiskyDefender  1  Chance  100 
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  100 
        Affects InspiringSpeaker  1  Chance  15 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0140_Standard_Risky_Battle_Defender_Clear_Loss_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition not WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and not WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = crushing
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds < 0.7
              and BattleOdds > 0.16
    
        Affects BadRiskyDefender  1  Chance  100 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  10 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0150_Standard_Risky_Battle_Attacker_Crushing_Victory_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess >= clear
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds <= 0.16
    
        Affects GoodRiskyAttacker  2  Chance  100 
        Affects Brave  1  Chance  6 
        Affects InspiringSpeaker  1  Chance  20 
        Affects GoodCommander  2  Chance  100 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0160_Standard_Risky_Battle_Attacker_Crushing_Victory_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and not WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = crushing
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds <= 0.16
    
        Affects BadRiskyAttacker  1  Chance  100 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  10 
        Affects Brave  1  Chance  6 
        Affects GloriousFool  1  Chance  100 
        Affects GloriousFool  1  Chance  18 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0170_Standard_Risky_Battle_Defender_Crushing_Victory_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition not WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess >= clear
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds <= 0.16
    
        Affects GoodRiskyDefender  2  Chance  100 
        Affects InspiringSpeaker  1  Chance  20 
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  100 
        Affects GoodCommander  1  Chance  75 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0180_Standard_Risky_Battle_Defender_Crushing_Loss_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition not WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and not WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = crushing
              and I_ConflictType Normal
              and BattleOdds <= 0.16
    
        Affects BadRiskyDefender  1  Chance  100 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  10 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0190_Withdraw_Before_Battle_Even_Odds_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PreBattleWithdrawal
    
        Condition IsGeneral
              and I_WithdrawsBeforeBattle
              and BattleOdds > 0.7
              and BattleOdds < 2.1
    
        Affects IndecisiveAttacker  3  Chance  100 
        Affects Coward  1  Chance  15 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  3 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0200_Withdraw_Before_Battle_Good_Odds_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PreBattleWithdrawal
    
        Condition IsGeneral
              and I_WithdrawsBeforeBattle
              and BattleOdds > 2.1
    
        Affects IndecisiveAttacker  8  Chance  100 
        Affects Coward  1  Chance  50 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  10 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0210_Standard_Battle_Crushing_Victory_Infantry_Commander_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess >= clear
              and PercentageUnitCategory infantry > 90
              and BattleOdds < 1.6
    
        Affects GoodInfantryGeneral  1  Chance  100 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0220_Standard_Battle_Crushing_Defeat_Infantry_Commander_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition IsGeneral
              and not WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = crushing
              and PercentageUnitCategory infantry > 85
              and BattleOdds > 0.7
    
        Affects BadInfantryGeneral  1  Chance  100 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  10 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0230_Standard_Battle_Crushing_Victory_Cavalry_Commander_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess >= clear
              and PercentageUnitCategory cavalry > 55
              and BattleOdds < 1.2
    
        Affects GoodCavalryGeneral  1  Chance  100 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger V0240_Standard_Battle_Crushing_Defeat_Cavalry_Commander_VnV_Trigger
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition IsGeneral
              and not WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess = crushing
              and PercentageUnitCategory cavalry > 55
              and BattleOdds > 0.7
    
        Affects BadCavalryGeneral  1  Chance  100 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  10 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger Stone_wall_siege_attack_success
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess >= clear
              and I_ConflictType Siege
              and BattleOdds < 2
              and I_BattleSettlementFortificationLevel >= 2
    
        Affects GoodSiegeAttacker  1  Chance  90 
        Affects GoodAttacker  1  Chance  15 
        Affects GoodEngineer  1  Chance  15 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger Stone_wall_siege_attack_fail
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and not WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess >= clear
              and I_ConflictType Siege
              and BattleOdds >= 1.2
              and I_BattleSettlementFortificationLevel >= 2
    
        Affects BadSiegeAttacker  1  Chance  99 
        Affects BadAttacker  1  Chance  20 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  15 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger Stone_wall_siege_defend_success
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition not WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess >= clear
              and I_ConflictType Siege
              and BattleOdds < 1.2
              and I_BattleSettlementFortificationLevel >= 2
    
        Affects GoodSiegeDefender  1  Chance  90 
        Affects GoodDefender  1  Chance  18 
    
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger Stone_wall_siege_defend_fail
        WhenToTest PostBattle
    
        Condition not WasAttacker
              and IsGeneral
              and not WonBattle
              and BattleSuccess >= clear
              and I_ConflictType Siege
              and BattleOdds >= 1
              and I_BattleSettlementFortificationLevel >= 2
    
        Affects BadSiegeDefender  1  Chance  99 
        Affects BadDefender  1  Chance  20 
        Affects BadCommander  1  Chance  15 
        Affects Drink  1  Chance  8
    Notice the bolded triggers.
    Those are added in 1.6 patch, to help a bit with Command star gain.
    Althouhg some of the other triggers are tweaked slightly compared to 1.4.
    Last edited by player1; 01-21-2006 at 18:29.
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    Default Re: Can I buy a Command Star?

    In that case I would just edit the traits to make it easier to get stars since the AI is probably cheating on command stars and traits anyway.

    In RTW its odds<1.6 with any victory to get goodcommander+1. And odds<2.1 with clear victory to get goodcommander+1.

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    Default Re: Can I buy a Command Star?

    There is no such thing as AI cheating to get command stars.
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    Default Re: Can I buy a Command Star?

    I have another thread about AI cheating since I think the AI gets help with money and fogofwar and others have mentioned po and traits as well. So you think the AI never cheats in anyway or just in traits?

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    Default Re: Can I buy a Command Star?

    Since whole VnV system is open to moding, including triggers for gaining traits, I can see AI doesn't cheat in that particular department.

    In fact, that's one of the reasons why RTW (non-BI) battles even on Very Hard get easy after a while.
    AI leaders never get enough stars (lots of both wins and loses), while human controlled ones win a lots of victories and gain lots of stars.
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    Default Re: Can I buy a Command Star?

    I usually have one general with like 10 stars and all the others have 1. I use the same general in most my campaigns...


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    Default Re: Can I buy a Command Star?

    Let's hope you don't have an accident with him.

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