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    Per Kull's request, I am starting this thread to post my edits to the export_buildings.txt file. In all cases I have tried to maintain the author's original intent while providing clarity to the text. The first set is listed below.

    Romani Government Types

    {type1lvl2_seleucid} Administratio Regionvm Italicarvm
    {type1lvl2_seleucid_desc}
    Italian Regional Government\n(requires Homeland Government Resource)\n\nOur governance of Roman Italia shows that it takes time to fully acclimate the peoples of these lands to Roman rule, but patient efforts are often well rewarded. After a period of indirect governance by a Roman magistrate (such as a praefectus or quaestor) we can integrate local economic and military functions with our own. This grants the region a more equal partnership in the federation of Italian states. Full suffrage may not be extended for some time and the quotas of soldiers levied could become exhaustive. However, the slow process of Romanization can only serve to benefit us, and therefore the region itself.
    {type1lvl2_seleucid_desc_short}
    The Italian Regional Government is slow to establish in a Roman Homeland province but boasts all building and troop types.

    {type2lvl2_seleucid} Provincia Romana
    {type2lvl2_seleucid_desc}
    Romanized Province\n(requires Expansion Government Resource)\n\nShould the existing infrastructure be insufficient to handle Roma’s future expectations for the region, or when an entirely new governmental system is necessary to maintain stability, we can initiate a full Provincia Romana in the region. Provincial governors and numerous small coloniae are sent from Italia to defend the province from foreign enemies and internal disturbances. Over time they can establish a Roman provincial government and any other necessities of a fully functioning Provincia.\n\nSlower population growth and some unhappiness from forced acculturation can be foreseen. More efficient methods of taxation could stimulate economic growth, but expect no windfalls for quite some time. Fortunately, the soldiers trained here are more dependable than those from newly conquered areas.
    {type2lvl2_seleucid_desc_short}
    The Romanized Province allows for most building and troop types in a Roman Expansion province.

    {type3_seleucid} Provincia Romaniensis
    {type3_seleucid_desc}
    Lightly Romanized Province\n\nThis province is under Roman control but still retains a large degree of political and cultural autonomy. Most communities in any Roman province possess no real legal guarantee of their status. However, our general practice with more productive and efficient provinces is to entrust a generous measure of local self-government. This especially applies to municipal governments with sufficiently extensive administrative experience.\n\nSubjects in the province are happier when we allow them to maintain most of their local customs and traditions. The benefits of a light Roman hand in local economic policies can be quite productive when coupled with fully Romanized provinces. Unfortunately we may not always rely upon the quality of soldiers from these provinces, for men from provinces with their own concerns have less concern for Roma.
    {type3_seleucid_desc_short}
    The Lightly Romanized Province retains most troop types but offers little building selection.

    {type4_seleucid} Amicvs Popvli Romani
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    Roman Allied State\n\nEstablishing an Amicus Populi Romani allows for the rapid incorporation of a prosperous region with varying degrees of Roman control. It is a wise decision to enlist them in the provinces of the Tabula Amicorum at Roma with a large population and an advanced level of civic development. Allied states rarely experience the full benefits of Roman technology, culture, or military training. Fortunately the short transition from Roman conquest to Roman allied state improves the chances of immediate financial prosperity. Troops levied from the region are of unproven loyalty to Roma and may only serve in the most basic legionary functions.\n\nSTRATEGY: It is better to establish Roman Allied States in regions with large populations and advanced buildings rather than small towns with limited development.
    {type4_seleucid_desc_short}
    Roman Allied States quickly provide economic benefits but offer minimal troop and building selection.
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    One question I had for those in the know. I haven't encountered the word profectus before. It seemed like it should have been "prefectus" or something similar, but I am by no means a Latin scholar. Is profectus correct? What position in the magistrate does it represent?

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    well I've heard from preafectus...
    well pro is a common prefix just as pre but since I'm not English I can't tell you wich one is used in English.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
    well I've heard from preafectus...
    well pro is a common prefix just as pre but since I'm not English I can't tell you wich one is used in English.
    Okay, it's looking like the word is praefectus. The American Heritage Dictionary (4th ed) says the origin of the word prefect is thus:

    Middle English, from Old French, from Latin praefectus, from past participle of praeficere, to place at the head of : prae-, pre- + facere, to make

    Definition 1a of prefect is "Any of several high military or civil officials in ancient Rome." Taking a look at Perseus, I'm finding a bunch of references to profectus as "advance, effect, increase, profit, success" - derived from proficio, apparently.

    I think I'm going to change it to praefectus for the time being unless there's a definitive answer otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacksnail
    Okay, it's looking like the word is praefectus. The American Heritage Dictionary (4th ed) says the origin of the word prefect is thus:

    Middle English, from Old French, from Latin praefectus, from past participle of praeficere, to place at the head of : prae-, pre- + facere, to make

    Definition 1a of prefect is "Any of several high military or civil officials in ancient Rome." Taking a look at Perseus, I'm finding a bunch of references to profectus as "advance, effect, increase, profit, success" - derived from proficio, apparently.

    I think I'm going to change it to praefectus for the time being unless there's a definitive answer otherwise.

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    Latin titles use the 'v' instead of 'u' (building names, character and unit names), but when they aren't used as the title, and instead are used inside english paragraphs we switch back to the 'u' to make it easier to read. The point is that if you're reading an english sentence it's not a good idea to force latin orthography in it. But if it's the title up at the top all by itself we don't mind using the more direct transcription. So in the type4 govt description (inside the paragraph) just say "Amicus Populi Romani". Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacksnail View Post
    One question I had for those in the know. I haven't encountered the word profectus before. It seemed like it should have been "prefectus" or something similar, but I am by no means a Latin scholar. Is profectus correct? What position in the magistrate does it represent?
    Hello There!
    As best as I can qualify, "profectus" is: "having made progress",[ in terms of/for a person.]. ie:‘Progress in the virtues’, which is 'profectus virtutum'] in Latin.

    Also can be translated as "Advance."

    Another translation seams to be: "useful", [in terms of an object.]. For accuracy I will need a citation for this word (a quote or passage of text wherein the word "profectus" resides.

    Also you compare profectus with "prefectus". Again a citation is needed for accuracy.

    Is/are the word(s) relating to a person or persons?

    Are you looking for a literal translation of each word or a transliteration 'reading' of the word in context...?

    The "Prefectus" as a word in Ancient Roman times is with regard to the formation of a legio (legion)...As best described by the modern usage in an army of a "C.O." a Commanding Officer. as opposed to the normative usage such as a N.C.O. a Non-Commanding Officer. With the Prefectus relating to the commanding ranks...this is my own transliteration. though on further examination "prefectus" just means "rank" thus an early understanding is from school whereby a boy or girl may be chosen as a 'prefect" thus enlisted by the teaching / admin staff as supplementing their authority over the student body - a Sergeant over his troops'

    Thus a person who advances (profect(u)s) in the commanding ranks (prefectus) is said to have done very well indeed - got a promotion!

    Prefectus [A general term used for the holders of different ranks in the military].
    Prefectus castrorum [The third in command in a legion].
    Prefectus equitatius [An officer commanding a unit of cavalry].

    Hope this helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacksnail View Post
    One question I had for those in the know. I haven't encountered the word profectus before. It seemed like it should have been "prefectus" or something similar, but I am by no means a Latin scholar. Is profectus correct? What position in the magistrate does it represent?
    Well, I do take a long time to think about things. Perhaps I'll let the computer check timestamps before bothering to ...

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blacksnail
    (wait on Roma faction lead for clarification)
    Here ya go:

    Quote Originally Posted by VandalCarthage
    Roman Allied State\n\nAn Amicus Populi Romani may come under varying degrees of Roman control, and it is a wise decision to enlist them in the provinces of the Tabula Amicorum at Roma with a large population and an advanced level of civic development.
    And below is some interesting info on the Type 4 Government. If you could synopsize it and include it at the bottom of all T4 government descriptions, that would help players make the correct choice:

    Quote Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
    It's best not to use a type4 govt on a small town. Usually it's best to use it on one that's already huge and has a lot of advanced buildings (since no one can build advanced or even high level buildings once they install a type4).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kull
    And below is some interesting info on the Type 4 Government. If you could synopsize it and include it at the bottom of all T4 government descriptions, that would help players make the correct choice:
    Fixed and added. Check out the format, let me know if it works as is or if I should remove the part that explicitly says "Strategy:"

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    Default Pontic Government Types

    Pontic Government Types

    {type1lvl2_carthage} Nomos Basilikos Pontikos
    {type1lvl2_carthage_desc}
    Royal Pontic Territory\n(requires Homeland Government Resource)\n\nThe homelands of Pontos are themselves a conglomeration of different peoples. Centuries of trading with one another has developed a rather harmonious relationship. Their leadership has invested much time and effort in extending the benefits of Persian rule to the Hellenic subjects of these lands. The subjects were more accustomed to the Iranian culture of preceding kings but now many Hellenic cultural advances can be found in their midst.\n\nThe considerable natural resources of these lands, both material and human, provides great strength for a king who would choose to make use of the contributing cultures’ best elements. The region’s growth may be slow, but its peoples’ loyalty is not suspect. Patient leaders can cultivate long-term military and economic benefits. The great variety of Pontic troops trained here are known for their courage upon the field of battle.
    {type1lvl2_carthage_desc_short}
    Royal Pontic Territory is slow to establish in a Pontic Homeland province but boasts all building and troop types.

    {type2lvl2_carthage} Satrapeia Persike
    {type2lvl2_carthage_desc}
    Pontic Persian Satrapy\n(requires Expansion Government Resource)\n\nThe traditional Persian satrapies were well-remembered and revered by their descendants, among whose number is the Megas Basileus of Pontos. This type of government is well-suited for new territorial acquisitions and provides a sound method of exporting the benefits of Pontic culture. These satrapies can eventually experience the quality of cultural benefits and martial training found in Pontos, but it is not a fast process.\n\nIf this newly acquired region is to serve the king in the best way possible, its peoples must be well instructed in the intricacies of true Pontic rule. The king need not doubt the loyalty of these regions, and troops trained here exhibit pride in their Pontic roots.
    {type2lvl2_carthage_desc_short}
    A Pontic Persian Satrapy allows for most building and troop types in a Pontic Expansion province.

    {type3_carthage} Satrapeia Philellenike
    {type3_carthage_desc}
    Pontic Philhellenic Satrapy\n\n This territory is satrapy in name but Pontos allows some degree of political autonomy. Philhellenic satrapies are best suited for well-established and developed provinces, primarily those of Hellenic origin. This is primarily due to the large number of wealthy Hellenic territories surrounding Pontos. Even when Hellenic citizens are not native to the area, the Hellenic citizens of Pontos draw heavily from their ranks when sending traders and colonists to the region.\n\nThese territories quickly yield great economic benefits due to their loosely controlled governments. The dearth of Pontic interference with local trade produces happier subjects, and a moderate variety of troops skilled in their traditional fighting techniques. Unfortunately these subjects will never experience the true benefits of Pontic culture and may hold two masters in their hearts.
    {type3_carthage_desc_short}
    Pontic Philhellenic Satrapies retain most troop types but offer little building selection.

    {type4_carthage} Nomos Symmachos
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    Pontic Allied State\n\nIn some cases a large and well-developed state brought under Pontic control may be well-suited for an alliance or client-state system than one of full satrapal inclusion. The region benefits from free trade instituted by grateful, though not particularly loyal inhabitants.\n\nThe limited local troops are well-trained in their own fighting styles. Though considered superior to auxiliaries from regions where native training has been curtailed, their loyalty is often split between their home province and Pontos.\n\nSTRATEGY: It is better to establish Pontic Allied States in regions with large populations and advanced buildings rather than small towns with limited development.
    {type4_carthage_desc_short}
    Pontic Allied States quickly provide economic benefits but offer minimal troop and building selection.
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    Default Carthaginian Government Types

    Carthaginian Government Types

    {type1lvl2_egyptian} Moledet haPonnim
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    Phoenician Homeland Province\n(requires Homeland Government Resource)\n\nThe major trading and agricultural centers of the Carthaginian Empire have a rich Phoenician heritage, with most soldiers composed of Phoenician citizens. This province is dominated by agriculture and cottage industry, producing considerable amounts of grain and manufactured goods that buttress Carthage’s vast wealth. Though the region’s inhabitants will never grow as quickly as the crops that sustain Carthage’s might, their loyalty is firm. Troops trained here will fight fiercely for Carthage in foreign lands or at home.\n\nHISTORICAL NOTES: Phoenician provinces were the basic building block of Carthaginian power. They encompassed cities such as Carthage itself, Hadramout, and Lepki. Carthage is ruled by a Shophet, the Hundred, and the Senate, in descending order of importance. The Shophet is elected and confirmed by the people and the Hundred respectively. The power of the Shophetim is based here, and any aspiring Shophet of Carthage would do well to remember this.
    {type1lvl2_egyptian_desc_short}
    The Moledet haPonnim is slow to establish in a Carthaginian Homeland province but boasts all building and troop types.

    {type2lvl2_egyptian} Mosaba Ponnit
    {type2lvl2_egyptian_desc}
    Phoenician Colony\n(requires Expansion Government Resource)\n\nThis region has great agricultural potential, but its lands are not nearly as rich as homeland provinces. A military governor rules the colony with broad autonomy. Some have been known to amass enough local power to rival the Shophet in Carthage, but all share their wealth with the Phoenician homeland! These colonies draw Carthaginians, Liby-Phoenicians, and Libyans who immigrate to establish industries and coax the harvest from the earth. While not as heavily geared toward trading as an Emporion governmental structure, the colony’s versatile approach and metropolitan composition allows for considerable variety in troops and structures.
    {type2lvl2_egyptian_desc_short}
    A Phoenician Colony allows for most building and troop types in a Carthaginian Expansion province.

    {type3_egyptian} "Emporion" (TRANSLATE ME PLEASE!)
    {type3_egyptian_desc}
    Tsorim Emporion\n\nThe trading colony is the most common type of administration within the Carthaginian hegemony. The native people remain masters of their own property and trade with an enclave of Phoenicians. The Carthaginian military governor relies upon the province to comprise his military forces, but enough Libyan troops fill the garrisons to back his words with iron. The incredible trade potential of the colony must be balanced with courteous recognition of regional culture. Prominent Carthaginian civil structures would offend local sensibilities, so our people must strive carefully to cultivate goodwill.
    {type3_egyptian_desc_short}
    The Tsorim Emporion retains most troop types but offers little building selection.

    {type4_egyptian} Ba'alei Brit
    {type4_egyptian_desc}
    Phoenician Client State\n\nThe Ba'alei Brit is among the most beneficial Carthaginian form of administration for recruiting auxiliary troops. The local governor is a glorified diplomat and mercenary recruiter, but his talents provide access to hardened soldiers. This style of governance results in healthy trade flowing to Carthaginian coffers but a somewhat over-inflated sense of independence amongst the region’s people. Still, the troops levied here may be of extreme utility in a variety of theaters.\n\nSTRATEGY: It is better to establish Phoenician Client States in regions with large populations and advanced buildings rather than small towns with limited development.
    {type4_egyptian_desc_short}
    Phoenician Client States quickly provide economic benefits but offer minimal troop and building selection.
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    Default Getic Government Types

    Could someone who is in the know please explain the difference between "Getian" and "Getic?" I understand that "Getia" refers to the region and "Getai" refers to people from the region, but the source text tossed Getic and Getian around without any real sense of context.

    Thanks!

    Getian Government Types

    {type1lvl2_dacia} Getike Phyle
    {type1lvl2_dacia_desc}
    Getic Tribe\n(requires Homeland Government Resource)\n\nMuch benefit awaits us should the basileos unite our divided tribes under one banner. Such a lengthy process begins by occupying the central dava of this region with a powerful and loyal garrison. Over time the region's tribes grow to respect the basileos and look upon his strength with pride. Tribes send their young warriors to the dava where they are taught the Getic ways of war, but more importantly they learn loyalty to the basileos and return to their tribes with a sense of one people. This helps foster a sense of order, which in turn improves trade. There are few limits to Getic innovation with such surroundings.\n\nHISTORICAL NOTES: Though difficult to accurately depict Getic tribal society, this government represents the faction's historically inhabited territory. Due to influences from southern Thrace and the East, Getic royalty was much more despotic than their Gallic or Germanic counterparts.
    {type1lvl2_dacia_desc_short}
    A Getic Tribe is slow to establish in a Thracian Homeland province but boasts all building and troop types.

    {type2lvl2_dacia} Phyle Symmache
    {type2lvl2_dacia_desc}
    Getic Allied Tribe\n(requires Expansion Government Resource)\n\nThe differences between Getai and southern Thracians are not insurmountable, but significant enough to allow a feeling of separate identities. The basileos' garrisons in this region are seen as “Getai” by local tribes, who view themselves as an occupied people. This stifles the expansion of local tribes, but the central authority of the basileos is respected, if grudgingly. The occupied tribes also have a greater degree of autonomy in their military affairs. The long Thracian tradition of mercenary service provides no shortage of battle-hardened men throughout the region who the basileos may elect to call to war.
    {type2lvl2_dacia_desc_short}
    The Getic Allied Tribe allows for most building and troop types in a Thracian Expansion province.

    {type3_dacia} Phyle Xenike Pelatike
    {type3_dacia_desc}
    Getic Foreign Client Tribe\n\nThe basileos places conquered tribes or states under the authority of loyal Tarabostes. Their status grants the locals a relatively independent approach to economic and military policy, even though they must bring their affairs before a Getai foreign noble for approval. Consequently the populace resists attempts to bring Getic ways of life to the region, but troops fielded here are culled from men already blooded in the fighting arts.
    {type3_dacia_desc_short}
    A Getic Foreign Client Tribe retains most troop types but offers little building selection.

    {type4_dacia} Nomos Symmachos Autonomos
    {type4_dacia_desc}
    Getic Allied Free Region\n\nThis region contains peoples conquered by the Getai and are placed under the authority of indigenous nobles who swear loyalty to the distant basileos. Their autonomy allows engagement in local conflicts or mercenary work, and an independent trading policy with regions not engaged in conflicts with the Getai. The tribute they pay for these privileges is higher, fostering resentment in their attitudes towards the basileos' true authority.\n\nSTRATEGY: It is better to establish Getic Allied Free Regions in provinces with large populations and advanced buildings rather than small towns with limited development.
    {type4_dacia_desc_short}
    Getic Allied Free Regions quickly provide economic benefits but offer minimal troop and building selection.
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