Why i hate hating religion

**Meneldil** · 01-22-2006, 21:09

Jesus was a socialist smurf anyway.

**Byzantine Mercenary** · 01-22-2006, 21:28

your right Lentonius, there are many people (Philip Pullman, Richard Dawkins etc...) who seek to destroy religion, and for what reason?

one day maybee we will just accept each others beliefs!

Perhaps BP is right, all these discusions about religion are getting nowhere, to be able to refute something, you have to have a real go at believing it first, something both sides of this argument don't do enough

**Papewaio** · 01-23-2006, 05:26

Originally Posted by Byzantine Mercenary

your right Lentonius, there are many people (Philip Pullman, Richard Dawkins etc...) who seek to destroy religion, and for what reason?

one day maybee we will just accept each others beliefs!

Perhaps BP is right, all these discusions about religion are getting nowhere, to be able to refute something, you have to have a real go at believing it first, something both sides of this argument don't do enough

I can live and let live.

However I do not agree that a system should be accepted just because someone has tacked on the word religion.

Too many encounters with New Agers confusing metaphysics with physics for starters and then crystal healing with geology for another.

Belief systems should be tested. Those that fail, often squeal about the fact that they have been tested. They don't consider that they may have learned something in the process of testing, nor do they consider that the break may point to a better understanding.

Rules are made to be broken.

**ajaxfetish** · 01-23-2006, 06:11

Originally Posted by Papewaio

Rules are made to be broken.

Does that include the forum rules?

Ajax

**Papewaio** · 01-23-2006, 06:36

You can break them and see what you learn in the process... Is their a moderator? Well you will get positive proof pretty quick.

**Big_John** · 01-23-2006, 07:04

entrapment!

... best thing about this thread is the word "schmurf".

**Byzantine Mercenary** · 01-23-2006, 13:35

Originally Posted by Papewaio

Belief systems should be tested. Those that fail, often squeal about the fact that they have been tested. They don't consider that they may have learned something in the process of testing, nor do they consider that the break may point to a better understanding.

of course, i agree!
thats why i suggested i method of testing, ''have a go at believing it first'' that is the best way to test anything.

I challenge some of the athisits who wish to test christianity, to attend an alpha course for a few weeks at your local church and talk with the people there about religion. I used to have many doubts, although i had never ceased being a christian i tested my faith and all of the arugments i could find against god fell to pieces! try it!

**Slyspy** · 01-23-2006, 15:30

Or not! It is, after all, an individual choice.

**Mongoose** · 01-23-2006, 17:01

"I used to have many doubts, although i had never ceased being a christian i tested my faith and all of the arugments i could find against god fell to pieces! try it!"

??? Can you explain why you think it fell to pieces? Otherwise, I think that it sounds like you went off to a 2 week brainwashing session

**Byzantine Mercenary** · 01-24-2006, 09:42

Originally Posted by Mongoose

"I used to have many doubts, although i had never ceased being a christian i tested my faith and all of the arugments i could find against god fell to pieces! try it!"

??? Can you explain why you think it fell to pieces? Otherwise, I think that it sounds like you went off to a 2 week brainwashing session

well, i hadn't quite understood what god meant up to then, there was a lot i didn't know or understand about religion. I can assure you i wasn't brainwashed! i still hold different beliefs then the others at the alpha group have and still argue with some of what they said. However the experience was very benificial, even though i did not join their church (they didn't mind if i did or not) due to time constraints.

**Adrian II** · 01-23-2006, 17:07

Originally Posted by Meneldil

Jesus was a socialist smurf anyway.

Yeah, and Leonardo just doodled a bit, Voltaire only vented his anger over his syphilis and Jimi Hendrix couldn't really play the guiter, could he? Bunch of con-artists.

**master of the puppets** · 01-23-2006, 18:06

Originally Posted by AdrianII

Yeah, and Leonardo just doodled a bit, Voltaire only vented his anger over his syphilis and Jimi Hendrix couldn't really play the guiter, could he? Bunch of con-artists.

finally somone gets it. but i do bash religion cause it is foolish, humans are the only animals in the world who know that we will one day die and be gone forever, so in a futile attempt to give reason to our short lives and quick deaths we invented (da da daaaa) religion. i don't really ridicule religions ane call them completely false (i like to keep an open mind and listen to religios stuff) but it seems all to elaborate. i can understand that there may be some great divine force over our universe, but it is my belife that he may have created the spark of life and that it was threw evolution and nature and turmoil that we we were born, not some intelligent plan.

so next time don't bash the catholics, or lutherans, muslims or jews...BASH ME AND MY KOOKY RELIGION