Why i hate hating religion

**Papewaio** · 01-23-2006, 05:26

Originally Posted by Byzantine Mercenary

your right Lentonius, there are many people (Philip Pullman, Richard Dawkins etc...) who seek to destroy religion, and for what reason?

one day maybee we will just accept each others beliefs!

Perhaps BP is right, all these discusions about religion are getting nowhere, to be able to refute something, you have to have a real go at believing it first, something both sides of this argument don't do enough

I can live and let live.

However I do not agree that a system should be accepted just because someone has tacked on the word religion.

Too many encounters with New Agers confusing metaphysics with physics for starters and then crystal healing with geology for another.

Belief systems should be tested. Those that fail, often squeal about the fact that they have been tested. They don't consider that they may have learned something in the process of testing, nor do they consider that the break may point to a better understanding.

Rules are made to be broken.

**ajaxfetish** · 01-23-2006, 06:11

Originally Posted by Papewaio

Rules are made to be broken.

Does that include the forum rules?

Ajax

**Papewaio** · 01-23-2006, 06:36

You can break them and see what you learn in the process... Is their a moderator? Well you will get positive proof pretty quick.

**Big_John** · 01-23-2006, 07:04

entrapment!

... best thing about this thread is the word "schmurf".

**Byzantine Mercenary** · 01-23-2006, 13:35

Originally Posted by Papewaio

Belief systems should be tested. Those that fail, often squeal about the fact that they have been tested. They don't consider that they may have learned something in the process of testing, nor do they consider that the break may point to a better understanding.

of course, i agree!
thats why i suggested i method of testing, ''have a go at believing it first'' that is the best way to test anything.

I challenge some of the athisits who wish to test christianity, to attend an alpha course for a few weeks at your local church and talk with the people there about religion. I used to have many doubts, although i had never ceased being a christian i tested my faith and all of the arugments i could find against god fell to pieces! try it!

**Slyspy** · 01-23-2006, 15:30

Or not! It is, after all, an individual choice.

**Mongoose** · 01-23-2006, 17:01

"I used to have many doubts, although i had never ceased being a christian i tested my faith and all of the arugments i could find against god fell to pieces! try it!"

??? Can you explain why you think it fell to pieces? Otherwise, I think that it sounds like you went off to a 2 week brainwashing session

**Byzantine Mercenary** · 01-24-2006, 09:42

Originally Posted by Mongoose

"I used to have many doubts, although i had never ceased being a christian i tested my faith and all of the arugments i could find against god fell to pieces! try it!"

??? Can you explain why you think it fell to pieces? Otherwise, I think that it sounds like you went off to a 2 week brainwashing session

well, i hadn't quite understood what god meant up to then, there was a lot i didn't know or understand about religion. I can assure you i wasn't brainwashed! i still hold different beliefs then the others at the alpha group have and still argue with some of what they said. However the experience was very benificial, even though i did not join their church (they didn't mind if i did or not) due to time constraints.

**Weebeast** · 01-24-2006, 11:46

I think if believers can keep their faith to themselves all this bashing/hating wouldn't have happened. I got this "leave me alone, I leave you alone" policy. Believers always break it. The dissapointment in non-believers has thickened so now they attack in any given moment.

I was a believer once (I still am. I just threw out most things except the god part). I knew I didn't have to make other people do what I do to secure my position in heaven. It seems hard for most believers to realize that.

**Byzantine Mercenary** · 01-24-2006, 12:50

Originally Posted by Weebeast

I think if believers can keep their faith to themselves all this bashing/hating wouldn't have happened. I got this "leave me alone, I leave you alone" policy. Believers always break it. The dissapointment in non-believers has thickened so now they attack in any given moment.

I was a believer once (I still am. I just threw out most things except the god part). I knew I didn't have to make other people do what I do to secure my position in heaven. It seems hard for most believers to realize that.

Yeah, but all believers get grouped together with the few who think that you can forcebly convert someone.

The fact is the athists i have met who have tryed to argue against me start talking about god first, its not me that starts it!

Also many who do convert others (not forcebly though only if someone is interested in converting) are not doing it to increase their standing with god but because they want to share the happyness that god has brought them.

Isn't that the whole idea after all that we are all forgiven, all we need to do is accept that forgivness