The Factions

[Zalmoxis]

Gee, I've got a feeling that MTW2 won't be as historically accurate as it should be.

[Darren_Shan]

yeah but i whant hungary as a playable faction

i wanna i wanna i wanna

[Trajen the 1st]

yeah but i whant hungary as a playable faction

i wanna i wanna i wanna

Here you are sir:

Bob Smith:There will be 21 playable factions for custom battle and multiplayer. England, France, Scotland, Holy Roman Empire, Denmark, Spain, Portugal, Milan, Venice, Papal States, Sicily, Poland, Russia, HUNGARY, Byzantium, The Turks, Egypt, The Moors, The Mongols, The Tumurids, The Aztecs.

[Darren_Shan]

yay

thx VERY much m8

[lar]

it said multiplayer and custom playable only, not single player campaign

[bozkirsovalyesi]

England,
France,
Scotland,
Holy Roman Empire, ....... germany
Denmark,
Spain,
Portugal, ......................................in europe history unimportant role
Milan, .............. italian
Venice, ............. italian
Papal States, ........ italian
Sicily, ................italian
Poland,
Russia, ............ who.? 10-12 russian knezs.
Hungary,
Byzantium,
The Turks, ........ who.? great selchuks, anatolia selchuks, ottomans, and other turks.
Egypt, .............who.? 1250-1517 memluks to be kıpchak turks.
The Moors,
The Mongols, .......... who.? great mongols empire - ilkhanlis - golden horde.?
The Tumurids, .................................... 1370-1447-- late periot & short life
The Aztecs. ................................... certain nonsense

21 faction.
but 4 italian factions, (including 2 little factions)
and 5 error factions (turks,portugal,russians,timurids,aztecs)

where..?
great or important factions:
cumans, swiss, litvania, bulgaria, burgonia, volga bulgaria, khawarizmshashs, abbasi khaliphes, zengis.

little factions:
norway, sweden, wales, irelans, normans, navarrs, catalans, genova, bohemia, austria, kroatia, serbia, epyr, crusader states (edessa-tripoli-jerussalem-antioccu-constantinopols), vlahs (romans), patzinaks, oghuzs, georgians, abhaz-chirkess (caucasia and egypt) alans, armenians, persians, arab states, habeshs(ethiopia) and minor turk states )

[Darren_Shan]

lol whats the prob with the aztecs? u might have chance to travel to the NEW World and clononize.. or summin like that

AND YAY! HUNGARY WILL OWN ALLl!!!!!

[skinovitz]

England,
France,
Scotland,
Holy Roman Empire, ....... germany
Denmark,
Spain,
Portugal, ......................................in europe history unimportant role
Milan, .............. italian
Venice, ............. italian
Papal States, ........ italian
Sicily, ................italian
Poland,
Russia, ............ who.? 10-12 russian knezs.
Hungary,
Byzantium,
The Turks, ........ who.? great selchuks, anatolia selchuks, ottomans, and other turks.
Egypt, .............who.? 1250-1517 memluks to be kıpchak turks.
The Moors,
The Mongols, .......... who.? great mongols empire - ilkhanlis - golden horde.?
The Tumurids, .................................... 1370-1447-- late periot & short life
The Aztecs. ................................... certain nonsense

21 faction.
but 4 italian factions, (including 2 little factions)
and 5 error factions (turks,portugal,russians,timurids,aztecs)

where..?
great or important factions:
cumans, swiss, litvania, bulgaria, burgonia, volga bulgaria, khawarizmshashs, abbasi khaliphes, zengis.

little factions:
norway, sweden, wales, irelans, normans, navarrs, catalans, genova, bohemia, austria, kroatia, serbia, epyr, crusader states (edessa-tripoli-jerussalem-antioccu-constantinopols), vlahs (romans), patzinaks, oghuzs, georgians, abhaz-chirkess (caucasia and egypt) alans, armenians, persians, arab states, habeshs(ethiopia) and minor turk states )

I completly agree with this post and specially with adding these other important factions including these "little factions"...or it will historical background be faked again

[Trajen the 1st]

England,
France,
Scotland,
Holy Roman Empire, ....... germany
Denmark,
Spain,
Portugal, ......................................in europe history unimportant role
Milan, .............. italian
Venice, ............. italian
Papal States, ........ italian
Sicily, ................italian
Poland,
Russia, ............ who.? 10-12 russian knezs.
Hungary,
Byzantium,
The Turks, ........ who.? great selchuks, anatolia selchuks, ottomans, and other turks.
Egypt, .............who.? 1250-1517 memluks to be kıpchak turks.
The Moors,
The Mongols, .......... who.? great mongols empire - ilkhanlis - golden horde.?
The Tumurids, .................................... 1370-1447-- late periot & short life
The Aztecs. ................................... certain nonsense

21 faction.
but 4 italian factions, (including 2 little factions)
and 5 error factions (turks,portugal,russians,timurids,aztecs)

where..?
great or important factions:
cumans, swiss, litvania, bulgaria, burgonia, volga bulgaria, khawarizmshashs, abbasi khaliphes, zengis.

little factions:
norway, sweden, wales, irelans, normans, navarrs, catalans, genova, bohemia, austria, kroatia, serbia, epyr, crusader states (edessa-tripoli-jerussalem-antioccu-constantinopols), vlahs (romans), patzinaks, oghuzs, georgians, abhaz-chirkess (caucasia and egypt) alans, armenians, persians, arab states, habeshs(ethiopia) and minor turk states )

I mostly agree with this post except: 1.The Abassid Caliphs had no power in this period and were pretty much puppet rulers to the Seljuk Sultans. They wouldint make a very great faction at all unless you like sitting around in your heram eating dates.
2.You put Persians in when Iran was ruled by many different dyanstys in this period.
3.the Normans are in the game...well, sortof. You see by the start date.(1080AD)William of Normandy had been delcared King of England by the Pope of Rome and thus Normandy and England were ruled by one man.
As for all those other suggestions I really dont know that much about them to tell you the truth.

[lars573]

England,
France,
Scotland,
Holy Roman Empire, ....... germany
Denmark,
Spain,
Portugal, ......................................in europe history unimportant role
Milan, .............. italian
Venice, ............. italian
Papal States, ........ italian
Sicily, ................italian
Poland,
Russia, ............ who.? 10-12 russian knezs.
Hungary,
Byzantium,
The Turks, ........ who.? great selchuks, anatolia selchuks, ottomans, and other turks.
Egypt, .............who.? 1250-1517 memluks to be kıpchak turks.
The Moors,
The Mongols, .......... who.? great mongols empire - ilkhanlis - golden horde.?
The Tumurids, .................................... 1370-1447-- late periot & short life
The Aztecs. ................................... certain nonsense

For your questions on who the Turks and Egypt represent the answer is short, all of the above. The Mongols will probably be the Golden horde (or all Mongol factions). Russia will either be all the Russian princes in 1 big faction or Novgorod then Moskovy. I also have a suspicition that the Timurids will represent all medieval Persian/Irainian states.

This is how it was in MTW, and judging by the description on the .com how it will be now (this is for Egypt).

Represents a succession of dynasties that ruled Egypt. The land is rich and populous making it an excellent power base. The army consists mainly of Mamluk heavy cavalry armed with spears and bows, supported by infantry of variable quality.

You see the factions don't always represent specific kingdoms or principalities. Half the time they represent ethnic/regional groups.

21 faction.
but 4 italian factions, (including 2 little factions)
and 5 error factions (turks,portugal,russians,timurids,aztecs)

The Papacy may be Italian but given the western european focus of the game it needs to be in their. It will act sort of like the roman senate.

where..?
great or important factions:
cumans, swiss, litvania, bulgaria, burgonia, volga bulgaria, khawarizmshashs, abbasi khaliphes, zengis.

You've got to be joking. The focus of the Medieval games is on western europe. They get the lions share of faction (and unit) diversity. Bulgaria was as important to european history as Portugal. The Abbasi Caliphs are Egypt. Khwarizmians might be includee as early on Timurids. The Swiss and Burgundians were in MTW, they might be back again.

little factions:
norway, sweden, wales, irelans, normans, navarrs, catalans, genova, bohemia, austria, kroatia, serbia, epyr, crusader states (edessa-tripoli-jerussalem-antioccu-constantinopols), vlahs (romans), patzinaks, oghuzs, georgians, abhaz-chirkess (caucasia and egypt) alans, armenians, persians, arab states, habeshs(ethiopia) and minor turk states )

If you want that kind of coverage play Crusader kings. Half of them will be included as rebel factions. And the Crusader states will be part of France. Catalans would be part of Aragon if they are still around. Vlach's, Croatians, Czech's, Austrians, alans, Armenians, Welch, Irish, Navarese, all rebel factions. About the only eastern european factions you could make a strong case for including are Lithuania and Serbia.

Because they can't have all the factions that exist in 1080 then have them evolve into the factions that exist in 1530 CA splits the difference and combines many small regional states into 1 big one.

Now these are all from MTW, I actually took the time to read the faction descriptions.
Holy Roman empire -represents ALL the constituent duchies and kingdoms of the empire as 1 faction
The Italians -represents All the city states of northern Italy.
The Turks -represents All the Seljuk states and the Ottoman state.
The Spainish -represents All the Iberian christian kingdoms (Portugal included) save Aragon. Which they put in as it was the only other strong one.
The Egyptians -represented All the pre-Mamluk dynasties in the early era (1087-1205) then the Mamluks from the high era on.
The Russians -represent All Rus Knyaz from the high (1205-1321) era onward.
The Almohads -they represent All Berber factions in western north Africa and in Spain.

For M2TW CA made some changes they split the Italians into Venice and Genoa. They took Portugal out of the Spainish faction and made them their own. This might have been nessisary to include the new world and the age of exploration. I just hope that Portugal didn't cost Aragon, I loved Aragon. The Almohads are renamed the Moors. This means that you can't complain the the faction ruling southern Iberia doesn't exist in 1080.

[Trajanus]

it said multiplayer and custom playable only, not single player campaign

True but like in RTW, a simple little mod and you can have all factions playable I'm sure. :)

So hungry won't be available at the start but should be eventually.

[Darren_Shan]

yay

i herd from some soarces that u choose 1 of the hungrain tribes.. and ur forst goal is to take control over the other tibes >_>