The Factions

[Watchman]

Isn't it a bit silly to use dynastic names to represent a region where the ruling dynasty tended to change almost every hundred years or thereabouts...? Why not just call them the Moors or something ? I mean, they're doing the same with the Turks and Egypt already...
...
...okay, make that most of the factions.

[RedCoat]

Agree, but Székelys used really this "light cavalry fighting-style" like all the ancient Magyar tribes and eastern nomadic people. After the settling emerged some new unit because the western effect (eg. royal heavy cavalry), but these tribes conserved their original style and always fought in the first line of the Hungarian army with the Cumans, Yazigs and Pechenegs. So imho Székelys are ok maybe under the name Székely Horse Archers.

Szép, I suppose this is an accurate interpretation. The name should definitely be changed, and I think the faction as a whole should have been stronger. Hungary was the most powerful Eastern European Kingdom throughout much of the middle ages. We need more unique units for Poland and Hungary at the end of the day.

[anti_strunt]

Isn't it a bit silly to use dynastic names to represent a region where the ruling dynasty tended to change almost every hundred years or thereabouts...? Why not just call them the Moors or something ? I mean, they're doing the same with the Turks and Egypt already...
...
...okay, make that most of the factions.

Indeed! If we are to deal with a limited number of generic "factions", then we should give them generic names.

[bretwalda]

Szép, I suppose this is an accurate interpretation. The name should definitely be changed, and I think the faction as a whole should have been stronger. Hungary was the most powerful Eastern European Kingdom throughout much of the middle ages. We need more unique units for Poland and Hungary at the end of the day.

I second to that. Probably fast light cavalry and medium cavalry needed and also some unique heavy foot troops. Maybe also a unit that would represent the heavy terrain of Hungary where rivers, swamps and bridges always played big role.

[Darren_Shan]

since when is Hungary orthodox?

hey hey hey

Hungary aint orthodox.. i just know it casue i live there




will it be a playable faction?

[Zalmoxis]

Gee, I've got a feeling that MTW2 won't be as historically accurate as it should be.

[Darren_Shan]

yeah but i whant hungary as a playable faction

i wanna i wanna i wanna

[Trajen the 1st]

yeah but i whant hungary as a playable faction

i wanna i wanna i wanna

Here you are sir:

Bob Smith:There will be 21 playable factions for custom battle and multiplayer. England, France, Scotland, Holy Roman Empire, Denmark, Spain, Portugal, Milan, Venice, Papal States, Sicily, Poland, Russia, HUNGARY, Byzantium, The Turks, Egypt, The Moors, The Mongols, The Tumurids, The Aztecs.

[Darren_Shan]

yay

thx VERY much m8

[lar]

it said multiplayer and custom playable only, not single player campaign

[bozkirsovalyesi]

England,
France,
Scotland,
Holy Roman Empire, ....... germany
Denmark,
Spain,
Portugal, ......................................in europe history unimportant role
Milan, .............. italian
Venice, ............. italian
Papal States, ........ italian
Sicily, ................italian
Poland,
Russia, ............ who.? 10-12 russian knezs.
Hungary,
Byzantium,
The Turks, ........ who.? great selchuks, anatolia selchuks, ottomans, and other turks.
Egypt, .............who.? 1250-1517 memluks to be kıpchak turks.
The Moors,
The Mongols, .......... who.? great mongols empire - ilkhanlis - golden horde.?
The Tumurids, .................................... 1370-1447-- late periot & short life
The Aztecs. ................................... certain nonsense

21 faction.
but 4 italian factions, (including 2 little factions)
and 5 error factions (turks,portugal,russians,timurids,aztecs)

where..?
great or important factions:
cumans, swiss, litvania, bulgaria, burgonia, volga bulgaria, khawarizmshashs, abbasi khaliphes, zengis.

little factions:
norway, sweden, wales, irelans, normans, navarrs, catalans, genova, bohemia, austria, kroatia, serbia, epyr, crusader states (edessa-tripoli-jerussalem-antioccu-constantinopols), vlahs (romans), patzinaks, oghuzs, georgians, abhaz-chirkess (caucasia and egypt) alans, armenians, persians, arab states, habeshs(ethiopia) and minor turk states )

[Darren_Shan]

lol whats the prob with the aztecs? u might have chance to travel to the NEW World and clononize.. or summin like that

AND YAY! HUNGARY WILL OWN ALLl!!!!!

[Trajanus]

it said multiplayer and custom playable only, not single player campaign

True but like in RTW, a simple little mod and you can have all factions playable I'm sure. :)

So hungry won't be available at the start but should be eventually.

[Darren_Shan]

yay

i herd from some soarces that u choose 1 of the hungrain tribes.. and ur forst goal is to take control over the other tibes >_>

[Prince Cobra]

Pity, no Bulgaria Ok,that's one of the unpleasant moments of my life ( Btw is there any hope that the number of factions will be changed (increased of course)????). But let's be more optimistic- the release date is coming!!!

[Darren_Shan]

sure there is!

CS is very mestarious sometimes XD

[Vladimir]

I want Luxemburg as a playable faction too!

[Randarkmaan]

If they do expand the map to go as far east as Iran(so they can include the Timurids's capital Samarkand which I believe is not in Iran but north of it) then they could just call the Timurid faction Iran and could then represent all the dynasties(Seljuks, Kwarazmians, Ilkhanate), though it would be kind of cheesy.

[Basilius]

I agree with bozkirsovalyesi that historical accuracy is questionable. I am subjective, but where is Croatia? I do not know which year mtw2 starts, but in mtw Croatia is under Hungary and that was pretty much correct, but now I see that Croatia is a rebel province and that is crappy.

[Herkus]

I just hope that CA will make something like total political decentralization of European and some Asian states and factions, because if you wanted to be strong kind, empreror or whatever, you had to deal at first with various dukes, counts, princes, vassals, bishops, free cities etc in your own state.

[HarunTaiwan]

For gameplay, they sometimes need to have "rebel" provinces. They are no rebels, just independent.

[skinovitz]

England,
France,
Scotland,
Holy Roman Empire, ....... germany
Denmark,
Spain,
Portugal, ......................................in europe history unimportant role
Milan, .............. italian
Venice, ............. italian
Papal States, ........ italian
Sicily, ................italian
Poland,
Russia, ............ who.? 10-12 russian knezs.
Hungary,
Byzantium,
The Turks, ........ who.? great selchuks, anatolia selchuks, ottomans, and other turks.
Egypt, .............who.? 1250-1517 memluks to be kıpchak turks.
The Moors,
The Mongols, .......... who.? great mongols empire - ilkhanlis - golden horde.?
The Tumurids, .................................... 1370-1447-- late periot & short life
The Aztecs. ................................... certain nonsense

21 faction.
but 4 italian factions, (including 2 little factions)
and 5 error factions (turks,portugal,russians,timurids,aztecs)

where..?
great or important factions:
cumans, swiss, litvania, bulgaria, burgonia, volga bulgaria, khawarizmshashs, abbasi khaliphes, zengis.

little factions:
norway, sweden, wales, irelans, normans, navarrs, catalans, genova, bohemia, austria, kroatia, serbia, epyr, crusader states (edessa-tripoli-jerussalem-antioccu-constantinopols), vlahs (romans), patzinaks, oghuzs, georgians, abhaz-chirkess (caucasia and egypt) alans, armenians, persians, arab states, habeshs(ethiopia) and minor turk states )

I completly agree with this post and specially with adding these other important factions including these "little factions"...or it will historical background be faked again

[ride the lightning]

The only little faction I do not agree with is Sweeden. How are they a little faction? they controlled more territory than England or Portugal! Hopefull Sweeden as well as Switzerland will be involved in a Mod.

[Gurkhal]

Although Sweden had much territory, it wasn't that populated so the only regions that could compare with the rest of the world was Östergötland and Västergötland. The rest was most just woods with some villages scattered across it.

I would love to see Sweden and conquer the world for us, but we didn't make a great impact untill around the 16th centuary. Denmark called the shoots in the Baltic during the Middle Ages.

[ride the lightning]

Well, that is true, but I love the Swedes, such nice people. I can only hope a viking faction is playable if CA redo the viking invasion expansion.

[pyradyn]

Ok to say the Russians wernt important is to say the english wernt important The Kievens are the ones who crushed the Cumans repeled the Mongol invasion and helped crush poland. And later they were renamed Russians from the upperclass of the Kieven nation the Rus. Russia to this day is a supper power and its empire has lasted over 1000 years so far. If the Rus arnt in the game who the hell is going to stop/slow the mongols before they reach poland and the Balkans? If you want it historicaly accurate the Russians cant be taken out.



P.S. by 1000 Keiv controled almost all the steppe until the Novogrods came to be who later merged with Kiev and then the new capitol Moscov was named which then moved to St. Petersberb (Leinengrad) then back to Moscov.

[Trajen the 1st]

England,
France,
Scotland,
Holy Roman Empire, ....... germany
Denmark,
Spain,
Portugal, ......................................in europe history unimportant role
Milan, .............. italian
Venice, ............. italian
Papal States, ........ italian
Sicily, ................italian
Poland,
Russia, ............ who.? 10-12 russian knezs.
Hungary,
Byzantium,
The Turks, ........ who.? great selchuks, anatolia selchuks, ottomans, and other turks.
Egypt, .............who.? 1250-1517 memluks to be kıpchak turks.
The Moors,
The Mongols, .......... who.? great mongols empire - ilkhanlis - golden horde.?
The Tumurids, .................................... 1370-1447-- late periot & short life
The Aztecs. ................................... certain nonsense

21 faction.
but 4 italian factions, (including 2 little factions)
and 5 error factions (turks,portugal,russians,timurids,aztecs)

where..?
great or important factions:
cumans, swiss, litvania, bulgaria, burgonia, volga bulgaria, khawarizmshashs, abbasi khaliphes, zengis.

little factions:
norway, sweden, wales, irelans, normans, navarrs, catalans, genova, bohemia, austria, kroatia, serbia, epyr, crusader states (edessa-tripoli-jerussalem-antioccu-constantinopols), vlahs (romans), patzinaks, oghuzs, georgians, abhaz-chirkess (caucasia and egypt) alans, armenians, persians, arab states, habeshs(ethiopia) and minor turk states )

I mostly agree with this post except: 1.The Abassid Caliphs had no power in this period and were pretty much puppet rulers to the Seljuk Sultans. They wouldint make a very great faction at all unless you like sitting around in your heram eating dates.
2.You put Persians in when Iran was ruled by many different dyanstys in this period.
3.the Normans are in the game...well, sortof. You see by the start date.(1080AD)William of Normandy had been delcared King of England by the Pope of Rome and thus Normandy and England were ruled by one man.
As for all those other suggestions I really dont know that much about them to tell you the truth.

[ride the lightning]

So that means England can start with a province in Northern France.

[Vladimir]

Well, that is true, but I love the Swedes, such nice people. I can only hope a viking faction is playable if CA redo the viking invasion expansion.

You are aware of the irony of this statement, correct?

[ride the lightning]

The irony that vikings arn't nice people? Yes I was aware, was just a little humerous statment to me.